Bigotry by Jews Toward Non-Jews (Wine Bigotry) New Findings [In Their Own Words Series] V3.0 S_0222

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – While most would find this a form of bigotry, it is also a form of protection. Historically when ever blood libels, persecutions, pogroms and slaughters of Jews were brought against Jews, wine and kosher foods where used as evidence of such. Lies where introduced that Jews would use the blood of Gentile babies for making there bread and wine sweeter. Naive and ignorant people would believe the leaders of this rhetoric and it would in turn produce horrible results. While this particular law is not Torah or God Given, it is a good on. We Jews who choose to live an Orthodox life, build fences so that we do not accidentally break one of God’s laws. It is in no way meant to belittle a non-Jew. My Mother, Father, brother and others in my Family are non-Jews…I would do the same around them. It is nothing more. If God told you to do something would you do it. How far would you go to make sure you did it right. Think about it.

In areas where Anti-Semitism was rampant, it was some protection from being poisoned by bigots, too. Jews were killed in pogroms, so there was reason to be very careful.

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While most would find this a form of bigotry, it is also a form of protection. Historically when ever blood libels, persecutions, pogroms and slaughters of Jews were brought against Jews, wine and kosher foods where used as evidence of such. Can’t accept the fact that Jews are bigots heh? Can’t accept the fact that your claims have been refuted once again, heh?

How did the person refute what I posted? He gave his opinion which in no way refuted the bigotry of Jewish teachings! <snip tavish garbage

Can’t refute the bigotry of those teachings can you? (Boiling Semen & Excrement) S_0127 –Jewish Tradition will NEVER teach Non-Jews as being equals– Century Pharisees V2.1b S_0127 http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=b6beevshh8dcr43hk33rafn23fvo2… a "Brother" in Their Eyes! V2.0 R_0827 http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=ejoodv8ba5n1ja6k5f13i0bfp46nh… Lubavitch Cyberspace Website http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=3eaade4a.64590087%40tavish-ce… http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=3eca1e34.54088216%40tavish-ce… Pre-Earthly Existence? R_0520 Concerning non-Jews (In Their Own Words Series) V2.0 S_0114 http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=6q6a00l6th5th925jsoker2al5ukl… (Classic Repost) New Links Added! S_0114 Reside In! V3.0b S_0110 LIVE WITH IT!! JEWS ARE RACISTS AND BIGOTS AS A WHOLE!! Tavish How First Century Christianity Was Treated by Jews: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=m1p5nv4es86j78p5dr5pe41l8pi3v… Research) V2.5 R_0925 http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=k11ucvc1j4hl6s7av6qpr9882esa9… http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=i31ucv4nvr6ehh6r2jgq8d7orrpfh… The first "Holocaust" was not Gentiles (Nazis) Against Jews BUT was Jews (Communists) Against Christian Kulaks!!! How Later Christianity was/is treated by Jews: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=upe9kvor1pdvm2ifa8sfa0qfboa6u… is NOT a Valid Comparison V2.5 R_0821 Jewish Led Bolsheviks Scalped & Crucified Christians by Philippa Fletcher http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=34c17d0f.1410012285%40news.sm… http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=u626vv814v0dt9raqv17ede0h4536… http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=ncu5gvoc1nga0k933sgt0sbtglrv1… Holocausts Jews have waged against non-Jews and Jewish denial of their Holocausts against Christians/non-Jews: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=5rhktv483m9oofgqt8goir93o4pm0… Addition to Their anti-Christic Christ Denial anti-Christism -pk

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Can’t accept the fact that your claims have been refuted once again, heh? <snip tavish garbage -pk

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Can’t accept the fact that Jews are bigots heh? This is what they teach and in their own words from their own web sites etc.! (Boiling Semen & Excrement) S_0127 –Jewish Tradition will NEVER teach Non-Jews as being equals– Century Pharisees V2.1b S_0127 http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=b6beevshh8dcr43hk33rafn23fvo2… a "Brother" in Their Eyes! V2.0 R_0827 http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=ejoodv8ba5n1ja6k5f13i0bfp46nh… Lubavitch Cyberspace Website http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=3eaade4a.64590087%40tavish-ce… http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=3eca1e34.54088216%40tavish-ce… Pre-Earthly Existence? R_0520 Concerning non-Jews (In Their Own Words Series) V2.0 S_0114 http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=6q6a00l6th5th925jsoker2al5ukl… (Classic Repost) New Links Added! S_0114 Reside In! V3.0b S_0110 LIVE WITH IT!! JEWS ARE RACISTS AND BIGOTS AS A WHOLE!! Tavish How First Century Christianity Was Treated by Jews: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=m1p5nv4es86j78p5dr5pe41l8pi3v… Research) V2.5 R_0925 http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=k11ucvc1j4hl6s7av6qpr9882esa9… http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=i31ucv4nvr6ehh6r2jgq8d7orrpfh… The first "Holocaust" was not Gentiles (Nazis) Against Jews BUT was Jews (Communists) Against Christian Kulaks!!! How Later Christianity was/is treated by Jews: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=upe9kvor1pdvm2ifa8sfa0qfboa6u… is NOT a Valid Comparison V2.5 R_0821 Jewish Led Bolsheviks Scalped & Crucified Christians by Philippa Fletcher http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=34c17d0f.1410012285%40news.sm… http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=u626vv814v0dt9raqv17ede0h4536… http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=ncu5gvoc1nga0k933sgt0sbtglrv1… Holocausts Jews have waged against non-Jews and Jewish denial of their Holocausts against Christians/non-Jews: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=5rhktv483m9oofgqt8goir93o4pm0… Addition to Their anti-Christic Christ Denial anti-Christism Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com – Accounts Starting At $6.95 – http://www.uncensored-news.com <<<<<<< The Worlds Uncensored News Source <<<<<<<<

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While most would find this a form of bigotry, it is also a form of protection. Historically when ever blood libels, persecutions, pogroms and slaughters of Jews were brought against Jews, wine and kosher foods where used as evidence of such. Lies where introduced that Jews would use the blood of Gentile babies for making there bread and wine sweeter. Naive and ignorant people would believe the leaders of this rhetoric and it would in turn produce horrible results. While this particular law is not Torah or God Given, it is a good on. We Jews who choose to live an Orthodox life, build fences so that we do not accidentally break one of God’s laws. It is in no way meant to belittle a non-Jew. My Mother, Father, brother and others in my Family are non-Jews…I would do the same around them. It is nothing more. If God told you to do something would you do it. How far would you go to make sure you did it right. Think about it. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Classic repost from 2001. Not all links may be active today but the info is timeless. All links currently active for verification– 02/10/2001 Special Note February 6, 2004: An attempt was made to get new working links for links which are now dead. If anyone thinks I am making a stretch accusing Jewish teachings of being bigoted then just use this simple test: substitute Jew or Jewish with white and non-Jew with non-white. We don’t want two standards do we? <<<In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C.Sec. 107. – Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use [The fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. [I]n any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include – (1) whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes.. ((this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. – FAIR USE INTENDED)) Excerpts: http://www.homestore.com/food_recipes/beverages/wine/kosherwine.asp (Link no longer active) "A wine that has been produced under the strictest imaginable kosher conditions can become un-kosher simply by being poured by a non-Jew." This mirrors the "spirit" of the above bigotry: http://www.ahavat-israel.com/ahavat/torat/treif.asp (Link active February 6, 2004. Archived locally as: ahavatTreif) "…Yayin Akum – wine touched by a non-Jew: Rabbis prohibited (even to derive benefit from) the wine of a Jew if it was touched and moved (or even if it may have been touched) by a non-Jew…" From the same link above (archived as: ahavatTreif) these examples of bigotry toward non-Jews also viewable: <start/quote Foods prohibited by Rabbinic law independent of any direct Biblical basis Bishul Akum – non-Jewish cooking: One may not eat food cooked by a non-Jew. Rabbis feared that this may precipitate an inappropriately close personal relationship between Jew and non-Jew. Pas Akum – non-Jewish bread: Similarly, Rabbis prohibited eating bread baked by a non-Jew. Stam Yoinom – non-Jewish wine: One may not drink wine of a non-Jew, even if the wine was not poured to avodah zarah. This prohibition is also based on the concern that drinking his wine may cause a personal relationship between Jew and non-Jew. <end/quote The above is what is taught about ALL non-Jews behind closed doors YET Gentile Christendom misleads their flocks with the false teaching a "Judeo-Christian Alliance" exists! Jews have been anti-Christ and against ALL non-Jews since the founding of Christianity (and before then as well) and they have been consistent YET adherents to Christendom are ignorant of the bigotry being taught against them! http://www.shemayisrael.com/rabbiforsythe/interpersonal/sensitive.htm (Link active February 6, 2004. Archived locally as:

shemayisrael_sensitive) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "…When you have money that you could earn interest on (e.g. lend on interest to a non-Jew or make an interest-bearing investment), and a Jew needs a loan, you are obligated to lend to the money to the Jew for no interest… [I]f your shul rents space for simchas or gatherings, can you legislate an amplification limit for those who rent your facilities; do you know any rosh yeshivos or teachers who can teach their students about how loudness is a serious danger to people and violation of many areas of Torah [e.g. damages, imitating non-Jewish culture…" Does not the above show bigotry toward non-Jews? YES or No? http://www.okkosher.com/Content.asp?ID=143 (Link active February 6, 2004. Archived locally as: okkosher143) 1. Nowadays the ordinary wine of a non-Jew, or Jewish wine that has been touched by a non-Jew, is, according to the opinion of some authorities, forbidden only for drinking purposes, but not forbidden to derive any benefit from it. Therefore, we are permitted to take non-Jewish wine in payment of a debt due us, for it is equivalent to saving it from a loss. The same law applies to a case, when we have violated the law and have purchased wine from them. But it is forbidden in the first instance to buy wine from them in order to make a profit by it. Other authorities are lenient even as regards the latter case, but it is best to follow the stricter opinion. 2. It is permissible to make a bath out of non-Jewish wine for a sick person although he is not critically ill. 3. If kosher wine that has been boiled until its quantity was reduced by evaporation, it touched by a non-Jew, it may be used even for the purpose of drinking it. Wine, into which spices have been put, as long as it still retains the name wine and has not been boiled, becomes forbidden when touched by a non-Jew. 4. Victuals mixed with wine, the presence of which is not discernable, even if the victuals have not yet been brought to a boiling point, do not become unfit for use if they have been touched by a non-Jew. 5. If wine is adulterated with six parts of water, the wine becomes nullified and does not become forbidden by the touch of a non-Jew. However, raisin wine, that is, when water is poured upon the raisins, is considered as true wine. 6. If water is poured upon the kernels of pressed grapes, or upon the lees of wine, as long as it is improved for the purpose of drinking by doing so, it becomes forbidden when touched by a non-Jew. 7. If some wine has been extracted from the grapes pressed in a tank, be it even only a small quantity, or if some wine has been taken out of it into a vessel, the entire contents of the tank is legally called wine, and it becomes forbidden by the touch of a non-Jew even if only the kernels or the husks have been touched. It is, therefore, forbidden to make use of the tanks of grapes found in the house of a non-Jew, for it is likely that the non-Jew has already extracted some wine from it. It is forbidden to let a non-Jew press grapes in a tank, even if such a tank is provided with a stopper. 8. We must also be careful not to let a non-Jew remove the kernels and the husks from the wine-press, even after we have already extracted the first and second wine from it, as they might still be moist with wine. 9. If a non-Jew has poured water into wine with the intention of diluting it, we are not allowed to drink from it. But if he had not intended to dilute it, or even it if is only doubtful whether he has intended to do so, its use is permissible. 10. If vinegar is made out of kosher wine, and it is so strong that it seethes when poured upon the ground, it no longer becomes forbidden by the touch of a non-Jew. But if vinegar is made out of non-Jewish wine, it always remains forbidden. 11. Brandy that is made out of non-Jewish wine, or of kernels and husks or of lees, is considered like the wine itself. But brandy made out of kosher wine, is no longer rendered unfit for use by the touch of a non-Jew. 12. It has become a prevailing custom to permit the use of Tartaric acid, since it is not tasteful. 13. If a non-Jew touches wine by means of something else (not a part of his body), or if it is touched through his power, a rabbi should be consulted as to the fitness of the wine. 14. When we send wine through a non-Jew, we must take the precaution of doubly sealing the mouth or the faucet of the vessel. 15. There are many diverse laws regarding the wine that a Jew makes for a non-Jew, for the purpose of selling it to Jewish consumers. In certain instances, even double seals and a lock are of no avail. It is necessary to consult an ordained rabbi as to what procedure to follow in such a case. The scrupulous should avoid the use of such wine. 16. Regarding the vessels that have contained non-Jewish wine, if they are of the kind that one ordinarily used for keeping wine, but temporarily, nor have they contained the wine for twenty-four hours, whether the vessels are of leather skins, wood, glass, stone, or metal, as long as they are not lined with pitch, they should be rinsed well with water three times, and then they may be used…. <END Do you adherents of Christendom still think the "Observant Jew" views you as his equal "spiritual brother" as the false teaching of a "Judeo-Christian Alliance" tries to perpetuate? All of the examples I give in this current posting are current teachings being taught by rabbis in each and every synagogue and they

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Classic repost from 2001. Not all links may be active today but the info is timeless. All links currently active for verification– 02/10/2001 Special Note February 6, 2004: An attempt was made to get new working links for links which are now dead. … Bishul Akum – non-Jewish cooking: One may not eat food cooked by a non-Jew. Rabbis feared that this may precipitate an inappropriately close personal relationship between Jew and non-Jew. … ** Judaism is in deep trouble since over half of nice Jewish boys are coming to their senses and marrying shiksas instead of Jewish-American Princesses. Sam, a Jewish friend/neighbor of mine, broke off his engagement to a Jewish-American Princess when he realized she was a virtual carbon-copy of her authority-freak mother. Sam eventually married a non-Jew named Doris. She was nice. That goes to show not all Jews can stomach those Jewish Witches.

** Bona fide princesses are hellishly worse than witches, at least when it comes to needless shopping and money spent on cosmetic surgery. …

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