Martin Delaney's Junk Science Dementia

Question:

Harris is a mental midget who tortures small animals in his experimental "station" to find whatever "results" his LEF followers slop down with their vitamins and mislabeled drug imports. Your evidence for this lie?

Ask yourself, Harrisoid — you’ve blurted it all out in your Spam-Troll rants and self-aggrandized LEF pronouncements of your expertise in cryothermia, hypothermia and ischemia … freeze ‘em, dunk ‘em in ice, and clamp off some vital arteries and there’s all the proof you need, right Harris? 28-Count Indictments, compliments of the FDA, speak volumes about Harris’ competence as a "Scientific Advisor" for his beloved LEF World — the Middleman of Hoffman-LaDouche and Glaxo-Auschwitz! FYI, the indictments came long before I became an advisor (a year ago).

Did the 28 FDA indictments actually attract you to LEF as something that best fits your background and experience? And have all since been dropped.

Where’s your evidence for this? Do you think a failed indictment means anything?

Wrong question: DOES LEF THINK A FAILED INDICTMENT MEANS ANYTHING? HOW ABOUT A COUPLE OF DOZEN INDICTMENTS? Harris, has LEF been convicted of any of these or other charges brought against it before or since? Has LEF been disciplined by any Federal government agency for any reason? Please be specific. Some grand juries would indict a ham sandwich.

We aren’t talking about ham sandwiches. We ARE talking about the import of mislabeled drugs, etc etc… Harris, do you view the mislabeling of unapproved drugs as you would a ham sandwich? Perhaps MarToon is on to something here — I suppose that lab-patient naivity is the only way to assure objective non-contamination of future anti-junk scientists … better get ‘em on the ethics program early though, before the rain of drug company cash prizes and vacations wrecks every single one of them. It’s also a great way to insure that you never have a clue as to what the hell you’re talking about.

I have more than a clue. You have your ham sandwiches. And you accuse me of the moral crime of torturing animals? ROFL.

No, you’re into the moral crime of human experimentation — the animals are for your after-hour pleasures… Actually, I don’t care if anyone thinks of me as a shoe salesman from Boise, your grocery store checkout girl or even your paperboy. As the establishment’s challenger, it simply doesn’t matter — the burden of proof is the establishment’s, NOT mine. When the shoe salesman tells the immunologists they’re doing "junk science," the shoe salesman should have some really good arguments.

1. The shoe salesman knows that the immunologists aren’t doing immunology — the most casual observer can see that, so what’s your excuse, Harris? 2. This shoe salesman has the real science and posts it to illustrate the falsity and dangerous follies of Harrisoid incompetence and the obvious agenda of Homo-Ethnic Cleansing… 3. As to Harrisoid’s "really good arguments", well, only a true Harrisoid junk-science freak actually "thinks" he can "argue the science"!!! This PROVES that Harris doesn’t know what science is — leave it to this science-resistant bozo and before long he’ll be "arguing" that the earth is really flat once you get a good look at a map … while eating a ham sandwich with his favorite lab animals. You’ve had none.

I’ve been the source of the science here — Harrisoid and The Gang have taken the defensive stance as a response — they originate NO science here — the challengers of their Kooky theories have had to initiate the science. All we’ve heard from you is wrong figuring of statistics on ACTG 320,

What about the CORRECT stats on ACTG175 that prove your sleazy tactics of lies, deception and avoidance as evidence of your abject bankruptcy of facts and science? ridiculous statements that inflammation means infection breakthrough

"Ridiculous"? 1. Like the ridiculous inflammation that accompanies PCP pneumonia breakthrough in profoundly suppressed immunity? 2. Are you claiming that inflammation is absent in suppressed immunity? 3. What is the purpose of using prednisone in PCP treatment and how this sort of suppression of inflammation in this immune-suppressed disease consistent with your absurd notion that inflammation with immune suppression really means "immune restoration"? 4, Are cocktail users with CD4s rising well over 200 breaking out with PCP because their immune systems are restored or because they stopped PCP prophylaxis? It is instructive to note that I’M the one offering all the detailed challenges here — Harris and the rest offer nothing but defensive smokescreens… so tiresome! novel ideas like reversion of memory cells to naive cells in the immune system

Novel ideas? Memory cells DO revert in the blood compartment in cocktail users for reasons well explained — the blood compartment DOES NOT represent "the immune system". Its obvious that you know nothing of these topics, Harris. Nothing. The ravings of an uneducated crank.

Harris … you actually DO think you can "argue" the science, don’t you? Sorry, but you have yet to demonstrate any real knowledge of these issues which leads to the obvious: you are being paid for your misinformation services! I’m dying to see how you handle the inflammatory questions above — your colleague Holzman self-destructed on these issues many months ago … his avoidance and smokescreens were rather instructive of his lack of comprehension in areas he claims expertise… birds of a feather, I suppose… fred

Response:

Harris is a mental midget who tortures small animals in his experimental "station" to find whatever "results" his LEF followers slop down with their vitamins and mislabeled drug imports.

Your evidence for this lie? 28-Count Indictments, compliments of the FDA, speak volumes about Harris’ competence as a "Scientific Advisor" for his beloved LEF World — the Middleman of Hoffman-LaDouche and Glaxo-Auschwitz!

FYI, the indictments came long before I became an advisor (a year ago). And have all since been dropped. Do you think a failed indictment means anything? Some grand juries would indict a ham sandwich. Making it stick (which requires actual evidence) is another matter. "Fred" has never stepped foot into a lab, or cared for a patient. Not quite true, however desperately MarToon wishes it was.

Oh, really? Let’s hear a few specifics. At what point have you done science and published it? What patients have you cared for, and where? Perhaps MarToon is on to something here — I suppose that lab-patient naivity is the only way to assure objective non-contamination of future anti-junk scientists … better get ‘em on the ethics program early though, before the rain of drug company cash prizes and vacations wrecks every single one of them.

It’s also a great way to insure that you never have a clue as to what the hell you’re talking about. Works for you, certainly. "Fred" has no background in any discipline (other than criminology and word processing) that makes him even vaguely employable — certainly not in the fields relevant to AIDS — immunology, virology, nutrition, etc. Let’s suppose this CarToon-MarToon-constructed fantasy was all true — 100% of it — so then what? What’s the point? What difference would that make? Sure, I was, indeed a Parole/Probation Officer for a number of years in the 1970’s and I DO admit that I had loads of fun — the experience was priceless

And you accuse me of the moral crime of torturing animals? ROFL. Actually, I don’t care if anyone thinks of me as a shoe salesman from Boise, your grocery store checkout girl or even your paperboy. As the establishment’s challenger, it simply doesn’t matter — the burden of proof is the establishment’s, NOT mine.

When the shoe salesman tells the immunologists they’re doing "junk science," the shoe salesman should have some really good arguments. You’ve had none. All we’ve heard from you is wrong figuring of statistics on ACTG 320, ridiculous statements that inflammation means infection breakthrough, novel ideas like reversion of memory cells to naive cells in the immune system (like there’s be any left in 20 years if this happened), and so on. The ravings of an uneducated crank. Steve Harris, M.D.

Response:

Marty Delaney (aka MarToon DeLoon), Director of Projekt (Miss) Inform, cowering behind yet ANOTHER false anonymous ID, from "Gangbang" to "DaveT" to "Jack in Texas" and now … us another rare peek into the mind of an actual AIDS junk-science serial/spree killer of Homo-Ethnic Cleansing who externalizes his unquenchable personal Armageddon of homophobia and homosexual self-loathing: Your opinions are, of course, wrong … always. You DON’T know the meaning of the term "debate", Harris — you CAN’T debate … you’ve been reduced to babbling, smokescreens and the outrageous lies of junk science! To be judged by the audience. Good luck.

What "audience"? The Drug Trolls Harris, Holzman, George Mary CarTOON, WallyBeav, the line management and staff of Life Extensions and Harris’ animal-torture lab? Lorenzo (Martin Delaney aka MarToon DeLoon) replies: I do not think that "W. Fred Shaw" or his handlers

"Handlers"? I have "handlers"? Where are my "handlers"? I only WISH I had these mythical "handlers"… If they had any kids in the third grade, perhaps their time would be the best "resource match" for Dr. Harris-Spam-Troll. have the intellectual tools to debate Harris

Probably true — I can’t think at Harris’ profound level of abject imbecilia and junk science illogic with the borderline psychotic irrationalizations that transformed Idiot Harrisoid into a LA-LA castaway to the LEF Mormon Geriatric experiments of the Utah nuclear proving grounds… Harris is a mental midget who tortures small animals in his experimental "station" to find whatever "results" his LEF followers slop down with their vitamins and mislabeled drug imports. 28-Count Indictments, compliments of the FDA, speak volumes about Harris’ competence as a "Scientific Advisor" for his beloved LEF World — the Middleman of Hoffman-LaDouche and Glaxo-Auschwitz! without lapsing into ad hominem attacks and paranoid babbling.

Gotta fill the white space somehow, Marty. I mean, Jesus H. Christ, it takes a nanosecond to impale these junk-science cretins on the stakes of science… something about the way they flail about IS somewhat enjoyable though! "Fred" knows nothing of science or immunology

I agree entirely. Every time I turn another page, I discover that I don’t know squat. Unfortunately, you, Harris and the rest of the junk-science junkies haven’t gotten that far — you haven’t even opened the fuckin’ book in your zeal for reverse-engineering paychecks and junk from weird human drug experiments that even the Nazis wouldn’t have found a purpose for… aside from what Billi Goldberg has spoonfed him.

Hey, YOU should be so lucky, MarToon, George Mary CarToon and the rest of the third grade refugees who found a home in drug company activist-impersonations and junk-science Public Relations! I love it! MarToon DeLoon’s very best defense of the establishment FART and TIRD disaster! LAUGHABLE!!! Ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! "Fred" has never stepped foot into a lab, or cared for a patient.

Not quite true, however desperately MarToon wishes it was. Perhaps MarToon is on to something here — I suppose that lab-patient naivity is the only way to assure objective non-contamination of future anti-junk scientists … better get ‘em on the ethics program early though, before the rain of drug company cash prizes and vacations wrecks every single one of them. "Fred" has no background in any discipline (other than criminology and word processing) that makes him even vaguely employable — certainly not in the fields relevant to AIDS — immunology, virology, nutrition, etc.

Let’s suppose this CarToon-MarToon-constructed fantasy was all true — 100% of it — so then what? What’s the point? What difference would that make? Sure, I was, indeed a Parole/Probation Officer for a number of years in the 1970’s and I DO admit that I had loads of fun — the experience was priceless … I simply had a "talent" for effective law enforcement and investigations: how else do these idiots suppose I could spot their psychopathic inner nature, externalized homo-ethnic rage, racism, their criminal minds weaked further by their heroin/morphine/etc addictions, their "resistance" to psychotherapy (people who harm others NEVER seek help), their manipulations, outageous lies, deceptions and betrayals of those they profess to represent revealed by their opportunistic spasms of drug company graft and corrupted systems of "reward" and "punishment". There it is, y’all … clear as a bell! Actually, I don’t care if anyone thinks of me as a shoe salesman from Boise, your grocery store checkout girl or even your paperboy. As the establishment’s challenger, it simply doesn’t matter — the burden of proof is the establishment’s, NOT mine. That merely makes it all the more entertaining when I impale one Dr. Big Deal after another on the sharp bamboo punji sticks of science! It’s quite simple: I always win by default… when I take the science away from them, they have nothing more than these silly MarToon DeLoon cowardly fits of psychotic rage… or Harrisoid’s robotic barking of obsoleted leftovers from the Berlin AIDS Conference fiasco … there’s nothing left for them now other than their souvenirs and memorabilia from Geneva, Vancouver, Yokahama and Berlin! SCIENCE IS AN ABSTRACTION TO "W. FRED SHAW."

See … here’s where MarToon and Company make their first fatal mistake. Yes, MarToon, science really IS an abstraction that exists several levels distant from you and beyond the reach of your junk-science ilk … at least in this lifetime! "FRED" CANNOT AND WILL NOT DEBATE HARRIS WITHOUT THROWING IN JUVENILE NONSENSE BECAUSE HE DOES NOT HAVE THE REQUISITE BACKGROUND OR BRAINPOWER.

Not actually true — from my personal feedback, I’m consistently told that the juvenile nonsense simply makes the science "fun" and easy to grasp. It’s the only way you, Harris, George Mary and the other imbeciles are ever going to get anywhere close to the basics, Marty — but I understand your pain — it’s kinda like having your Geneva-drug-company-prepaid conference tuition, first-class travel and accomodations shoved up your ass a nickel at a time! Marty … it’ll go easier on you if you didn’t fight it… it always does. SO THERE.

Famous quotes from our Heroes of Drug Company Junk Science Activism, Martin Delaney (MarToon DeLoon) of Project MissInform and George Mary CarToon of "SMACKED UP NEW YAWK": "Nah nah nah … nah nah nah!"

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