Hmmm…

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"Doing the same thing over and over again And expecting a different Result isn’t rational. ~ Ann "Practice gets you to Carnegie Hall ~ !" ~ Folly

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"I think this person is in a manic state Or something akin to that." ~ Emma Anne "Mania makes us move; Trance makes us metrically write. Mum makes us groove; A Maltese barks exactly right ~ And horny hounds prance around all night ~ !" ~ Twittering LSTOO & Folly IAG

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"I think this person is in a manic state Or something akin to that." ~ Emma Anne "Mania makes us move;

Absolutely, T1 !!! … If you were, even remotely "manic", I figure that you would have been deade, long ago. There is absolutely *nothing* quite like that agony of suspense …    .. read this as aching stiffness … inability to let go  .. to <break and an start going with the flow. The curse of ADD.  … Agony of suspense.  .. Unable to release.    … incapable of loosing control. Ergo …   … unable to blinker one’s self Or something like that. I figure that a little touch of mania would serve me extremely well. … just the tiniest "touch" of the stuff.   Everyone else seems to have this magical ‘manic’ ingredient ..    Everyone else seems to be able to say ‘Fuck it’ and never look back …      … or just look forward.  .. and move forward.  … blindly … .. obliviously  … without care … Oh, how I wish that I could bring myself to have just a glimmer of such reckless abandonment. Keep well, Twittering One.  Look after yourself, eh? Sincerely, RL

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Personaly, I consider that T-1 is quite sane; at least as reasonably so as can be expected in the circumstances. The way I figure it, most non ADD type personalities would have gone and joined with the birdies, long ago. You know, it’s really magnaminous of you to go along with the delusion that T-1 is sane, but you aren’t doing her any favors.  She isn’t, she needs help, she’s been offered help by people in her real life (never mind what goes on in cyberspace), and she seemingly can’t accept it.

I have had exactly the same thing said of myself. … As in; people who care about me say … "The Raving Loonie doesn’t listen." And I also get to be called: * passive-agressive * childish * entitled * narcissistic * living in my own dreamworld * re-acting * unable to trust * incapable of listening * inflexible, narrow-minded, uncooperative, opositional-defiant …   "me?", "Twittering One?", "ADD crybaby?", …   sound about right? Each of the starred(*) items is an inference; a causal explanation for RL/T1/ADD ’s obstinancy. …  … Or rather, it’s an inference from the perspective of a person who is trying to be of help and having his/her assistance/advice ‘rebuffed’. For the person on the ‘receiving end’ of the help; it’s a bit like … accept the advice/assistance or risk being told to ‘FOAD’. As in …   "We are not asking you Toad, we are TELLING you." Toad is the recipient. The recipient, can be very appreciative and suympathetic to the assistance/advice that is being offered. … the recipient can agree, wholeheartedly with such advice. … the recipient can perceive and be sympathetic to it for what it is … Yet, still the recipient is apt to refuse, ignore, turn a blind eye to it … because the recipient has a need to do it their own way.  … the recipient has a need to prevail for himself or herself with his or her own personal point of view. Like the sentiment expressed in Frank Sinatra’s song …   … I desperately need to do it my own way. This doesn’t mean that that I disrespect or disagree or don’t listen or fail to appreciate …  the advice/offer/help being extended to me by another person. Twitttering One is adamant about asserting her own point of view. She clearly has a desperate need to do it her way.  … For someone else, who is observing T1’s behavior; it can be interpeted as T1 being crazy, unappreciative, unable to listen, etc.  (see starred list above). Until she either does something that gets her locked up or has a glimmer of rationality and sees what she’s doing isn’t helping her she will continue to be insane. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result isn’t rational.

What you have decribed, here:  … expecting something and not having it "pan out".  … thence going ahead and making the same mistake over and over again …  … is is an interesting and ( for myself ) complex issue. Honestly, I’m not sure what to infer from it, yet. …  There are many interpretations. None of them stand out for me, one way or another. Stop enabling her by pretending she’s sane.

Yep. She could be crazy because she is utterly insistent about having her own mind about the situation. A very nasty and emasculating situation … Either, T1 surrenders her sense of "self" and swallows another person’s opinion …   .. or, T1 is insane, ungrateful, a spoiled brat ….. and can go FOAD This is how the victim feels in situations of …  Sexual abuse  Abuse of power  Being kidnapped  Being forced against one’s will and being unable to prevent it.  Wife battering  A small child who hasn’t learned to stand up for his/her self and join society as a mature, fullyt developed adult.   And so very often …    … a person who has ADD A person who innately seems to have tremendous difficulty maturing, evolving, developing, reaching maturity, … who trys & trys  … and fails & fails … to become himself or herself. Sincerely, RL

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FYI:  I did a google search for T-One (spelled out as the name of the post usually reads) and found posts in all of these groups.  Does it make sense to you that a person with ADD would be able to handle this many groups  In all there 92 topics started or responded to by T-One. Most of the posts were pure gibberish and extremely cryptic.  Many of the topics have no other author but the reply posts extend into the hundreds by the same person, over and over. IMO: I have seen these things before and they are usually nothing but a spamming engine designed to get people to respond to topics solely for click counting on servers.  During my search I found many other topics in other names but had the same information or resembled the same syntax use etc that T-One displays over and over. One more point:  Does it make sense to you that a person would continue this madness about being mentally hurt and damaged by Dr. Who Cares for this long and never actually use the advice given to them or ever obtaining a lawyer etc. misc.legal sci.med misc.writing alt.journalism alt.law-enforcement alt.true-crime rec.arts.poems uk.legal us.talk.constitution alt.computer.consultants alt.arts.poetry.urban alt.politics.democrats alt.fan.rush-limbaugh alt.fan.marcia-clark talk.bizarre alt.atheism alt.religion.scientology alt.activism sci.math alt.politics.economics alt.arts.ballet alt.astronomy rec.music.opera rec.running

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FYI:  I did a google search for T-One (spelled out as the name of the post usually reads) and found posts in all of these groups.

She’s been a regular here for a long time and she’s been falling apart slowly right along.  Something finally pushed her over the edge.  Possibly the abuse was the cause, possibly the accusations are a symptom.  Kind of sad really. Does it make sense to you that a person with ADD would be able to handle this many groups

Yep.  We like variety. In all there 92 topics started or responded to by T-One. Most of the posts were pure gibberish and extremely cryptic.  Many of the topics have no other author but the reply posts extend into the hundreds by the same person, over and over.

Are you sure she’s not discussing with someone who is x-no-archived? IMO: I have seen these things before and they are usually nothing but a spamming engine designed to get people to respond to topics solely for click counting on servers.

She doesn’t include links very often.  Her behavior is more akin to that of trolls but she doesn’t cross-post to a score-counting group and besides that, as I said, she’s been a regular here for a long time under various names. During my search I found many other topics in other names but had the same information or resembled the same syntax use etc that T-One displays over and over. One more point:  Does it make sense to you that a person would continue this madness about being mentally hurt and damaged by Dr. Who Cares for this long and never actually use the advice given to them or ever obtaining a lawyer etc.

Please understand, using a nontechnical term, she’s crazy.  He behavior makes perfect sense to _her_ but her perception of reality is at considerable variance from the one that the rest of us share. — –John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

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J Clarke, We want to acquire a gun. We are finally in agreement. Sincerely, Twittering LSTOO & Folly IAG

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"Preferably, something elegant and compact, Easily concealed, accurate aim, Perhaps a pearl handle, Perhaps a deringer, With a silencer, And deadly bullets." ~ Twittering

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The FBI Forensic Science Communications January 2001 – Volume 3 – Number 1 Red Bloody Graphic Case Report The Booth Deringer-Genuine Artifact or Replica? Sally A. Schehl Associate Editor, Forensic Science Communications Forensic Science Research Unit Federal Bureau of Investigation Washington, DC Carlo J. Rosati Firearms Examiner Firearms-Toolmarks Unit Federal Bureau of Investigation Washington, DC http://www.fbi.gov/hq/lab/fsc/backissu/jan2001/schehl.htm

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Far superior to jumping …

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In the health care fraud arena, the FBI targets systemic abuses, such as large-scale billing fraud that is national or regional in scope and fraudulent activities that threaten the safety of patients. http://www.fbi.gov/libref/factsfigure/wcc.htm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – FYI:  I did a google search for T-One (spelled out as the name of the post usually reads) and found posts in all of these groups. She’s been a regular here for a long time and she’s been falling apart slowly right along.  Something finally pushed her over the edge.  Possibly the abuse was the cause, possibly the accusations are a symptom.  Kind of sad really. Does it make sense to you that a person with ADD would be able to handle this many groups Yep.  We like variety.

And she’s hyperfocused on her "interactive poetry project about loss and suicide." T-1 spends many, many hours on usenet every day, and AFAIK, doesn’t do much else except send lots of e-mails to former doctors and people she thinks might help her. Plus, I think it’s apparent to almost everyone, including her most recent doctors, that T-1’s mental health issues are much more serious that ADHD. In all there 92 topics started or responded to by T-One. Most of the posts were pure gibberish and extremely cryptic.  Many of the topics have no other author but the reply posts extend into the hundreds by the same person, over and over. Are you sure she’s not discussing with someone who is x-no-archived?

John, you probably have T-1 plonked, but she often posts in threads in which she’s the only poster. In those threads, she posts parts of her poem, often repeating prior posts with minor editing. IMO: I have seen these things before and they are usually nothing but a spamming engine designed to get people to respond to topics solely for click counting on servers.

You’re wrong. T-1 is a real person generating real posts. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – She doesn’t include links very often.  Her behavior is more akin to that of trolls but she doesn’t cross-post to a score-counting group and besides that, as I said, she’s been a regular here for a long time under various names. During my search I found many other topics in other names but had the same information or resembled the same syntax use etc that T-One displays over and over. One more point:  Does it make sense to you that a person would continue this madness about being mentally hurt and damaged by Dr. Who Cares for this long and never actually use the advice given to them or ever obtaining a lawyer etc. Please understand, using a nontechnical term, she’s crazy.  He behavior makes perfect sense to _her_ but her perception of reality is at considerable variance from the one that the rest of us share.

T-1 thinks she’s doing what needs to be done in order to heal. She’s mired in her obsession with her doctors, unable to do much else. Nancy Unique, like everyone else

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And she’s hyperfocused on her "interactive poetry project about loss and suicide." T-1 spends many, many hours on usenet every day, and AFAIK, doesn’t do much else except send lots of e-mails to former doctors and people she thinks might help her. Plus, I think it’s apparent to almost everyone, including her most recent doctors, that T-1’s mental health issues are much more serious that ADHD.

You think so ? Personaly, I consider that T-1 is quite sane; at least as reasonably so as can be expected in the circumstances. The way I figure it, most non ADD type personalities would have gone and joined with the birdies, long ago.  … there seems to be <something about ADD which keeps it’s ardent practitioners, insufferably and unbearably sane. Not that this really means much. Craziness can take many different forms. I feel that it is counterproductive to misconstrue things, herein. So where is my "proof"? In http://tinyurl.com/a856w I wrote and T-1 responded: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So are you SURVIVING or NOT SURVIVING ?   … make up your mind and get on with it, eh? Time is money & life is short.    Get this fucking mess behind you Twittering One, one way or the other a) By accepting that you are SURVIVING and moving on from there … b) By accepting that you are NOT SURVIVING and thence making damn well certain that you DO START SURVIVING.   .. just a suggestion. Humbly, RL Shut up you stupid Bastard.

Ever wonder why T-1 turned around and called me a stupid bastard when I was respecting her dilemma and simply trying to help?  … notwithstanding that I have become insensitive to such unexpected and abrupt reversal of opinion and remain slightly confused by <such things. When T-1 turned abruptly 180 on me on this occasion, I had a strong and quickly found appreciation of what motivated her to do such a thing. Put roughly.  T-1 feels desperate, knows that she can’t help herself out of her predicament.  … is sane and rational, desperately desires to remain that way; does not wish to kill herself; is at her witts end and beyond.  … and interpreted what I had suggested as… 1) Save, yourself from your predicament T-1. Nobody else will bother saving you. ( I would expect a *total* red out here vis a vis the casual disregard, utterly devoid of human decency and sensitivity. ) An example from my own experience  …  On more than one occation, I have sought help from a crisis resource or psychiatric emergency room  …  … only to be told sincerely and repsectfully, that I did indeed have a real *toughie* of a problem  … … and Gee whizz ???  … there just didn’t seem to be anything that they could  offer me in it’s regard. … The punch line being  … I suppose that <this means that it makes rational sense  … that it is quite understandable that I should go and kill myself. Should things be adjusted slightly differently.  … going out and killing myself was probably the plausible outcome. I know this as I perceive the requisite adjustments having occured in my own situation. There is only so much "carrying of responsibility for the rest of the on one’s own shoulders" at a person ‘borks’  …  … and path that such borking takes is apt to be dangerous, tragic and preventable. Both insane and sane people commit suicide.  Sane people are apt to drag out, publicize and awoid the unpleasantries for as long as they can because they really are sane  … and really do not wish to destroy themselves.  … but will nevertheless do so, one way or another … because more or less, it’s already defacto. You also ought to notice that claiming that T-1 is sane and thus will not follow through  .. or is somehow lacking in backbone to ‘tough it out’ is also  unfair, disrespectful and counterproductive.  The pressures on T-1’s perception of reality are intense, ridden with shear, puncture and entanglement. It is insufferable, demeaning and paralyzing in the extreme.  Nothing stokes the agony of exasperation more intensely by first percieving and then expressing T-1’s predicament as nonsense or bull shit. To call T-1, crazy is slightly kinder and in the short term improves her plight. There is a huge, insideous down-side to this. … Hence, the reason that T-1 might have responded to my second suggestion. 2) This path ’seems’ to call for T-1 to face up to the fact that she is, in fact crazy, insane, in cloud cukoo land. Her response is clear and unequivocal  ’ Shut up you stupid Bastard. ‘   … inferring, I am sane *barely* and I am desperate to stay that way, etc. etc. … Also, perhaps inferring the understanding that when a person is labeled as insane  … they have lost all credibility at being taken seriously. As in "T-1 is talking gibberish. She is insane. Disregard the contentless of the noise.   … I’m not referring to a poet or poetry, herein.  .. I am talking about a person is putting everything that she has into a 24/7 effort to effectively express herself.  … to help herself.  … to avoid what she sanely knows is coming down the pipe. The effort is disarmed before it even begins … because of the insane label. I meant something else in my suggestion. … that was what motivated me to suggest it. ( Frankly, for here and now, … that which I had intended is irrelevent.  I am unable to think about such, regardless. ) As I see it T-1, really does have tough problem. Being forced into uncontrolable, insane dsyfunctionalism precisely because a person remains sane and retains appreciation concerning their predicament is nasty and difficult to overcome. The psychiatric hospital isn’t likely to be able to help much … the absurdity is real and patient roughly has it correctly.   It’s tough, ugly, tragic and most unfortunate. I really do believe that it’s better to call the situation for what it is.  … The difficulties can still be addressed and surmounted *maybe* through the remmedies which become available by being labelled crazy. … but it is NOT a crazy disease. And it is very, very, very ADD … And in my opinion, it is crucially important to perceive it as that and call it as that.   … or maybe someone else has a better idea for overcoming the implosion into contradiction? I accept that there may be other issues with T-1. Truly, she is unfortunate in having to carry so much unfortunate baggage from the past  … Yet, please don’t make the mistake, albeit an honest, caring, respectful and well meaning one  … Something, very roughly along the lines of  …. T-1 thinks she’s doing what needs to be done in order to heal. She’s mired in her obsession with her doctors, unable to do much else.

People with ADD can very easily find theselves in a crisis of being universally, unconditionally, unilaterally  rejected, abandoned, dismissed, discounted.  … and be utterly unable to anything whatsoever about such helplessness. Don’t forget the title of that ADD self-help book:   "YOU MEAN I’M NOT LAZY, STUPID OR CRAZY?"            See http://tinyurl.com/9oexe T-1’s plea is so weak and helpless. Please don’t be fooled into viewing Virginia as ..  … LAZY, STUPID OR CRAZY? …   ‘Cause as I perceive her, she isn’t like that at all.  … she is desperate. she is at her wits end… And she is in very dire danger of falling through the cracks because of that very, very, very real and tragic misperception concerning ADD. Cordially, respectfully and sincerely, RL – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In all there 92 topics started or responded to by T-One. Most of the posts were pure gibberish and extremely cryptic.  Many of the topics have no other author but the reply posts extend into the hundreds by the same person, over and over. Are you sure she’s not discussing with someone who is x-no-archived? John, you probably have T-1 plonked, but she often posts in threads in which she’s the only poster. In those threads, she posts parts of her poem, often repeating prior posts with minor editing. IMO: I have seen these things before and they are usually nothing but a spamming engine designed to get people to respond to topics solely for click counting on servers. You’re wrong. T-1 is a real person generating real posts. She doesn’t include links very often.  Her behavior is more akin to that of trolls but she doesn’t cross-post to a score-counting group and besides that, as I said, she’s been a regular here for a long time under various names. During my search I found many other topics in other names but had the same information or resembled the same syntax use etc that T-One displays over and over. One more point:  Does it make sense to you that a person would continue this madness about being mentally hurt and damaged by Dr. Who Cares for this long and never actually use the advice given to them or ever obtaining a lawyer etc. Please understand, using a nontechnical term, she’s crazy.  He behavior makes perfect sense to _her_ but her perception of reality is at considerable variance from the one that the rest of us share. T-1 thinks she’s doing what needs to be done in order to heal. She’s mired in her obsession with her doctors, unable to do much else. Nancy Unique, like everyone else

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Book Review By Anthony J. Mohr An Unquiet Mind, by Kay Redfield Jamison, During her undergraduate days at UCLA, Kay Redfield Jamison tutored a blind student. After several sessions she asked what blindness was like. Several days later he suggested they meet in the blind reading room of the library. When Jamison arrived, "I stopped suddenly when I realized with horror that the room was almost totally dark. It was dead silent, no lights were on, and yet there were half a dozen students bending over their books or listening intently to the audiotapes of the professors’ lectures that they had recorded. It was one of those still, clear moments when you realize that you haven’t understood anything at all, that you have had no real comprehension of the other person’s world." http://www.circlemagazine.com/issuetwenty/unquietmind.html

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"TIR, or Traumatic Incident Reduction, is a systematic method of locating, reviewing and resolving traumatic events. Once a person has used TIR to fully and calmly view a painful memory or sequence of related memories, life events no longer trigger it and cause distressing symptoms." But Dr. Figley ~ I have a WHOLE NEW batch now That I did not have before … Honest. It’s like starting all over again, And that’s really not fun." ~ Twittering http://www.healing-arts.org/tir/framepract.htm

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"Y is for Yorick whose head was knocked in." ~ Edward Gorey

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Personaly, I consider that T-1 is quite sane; at least as reasonably so as can be expected in the circumstances. The way I figure it, most non ADD type personalities would have gone and joined with the birdies, long ago.

You know, it’s really magnaminous of you to go along with the delusion that T-1 is sane, but you aren’t doing her any favors.  She isn’t, she needs help, she’s been offered help by people in her real life (never mind what goes on in cyberspace), and she seemingly can’t accept it. Until she either does something that gets her locked up or has a glimmer of rationality and sees what she’s doing isn’t helping her she will continue to be insane. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result isn’t rational.   Stop enabling her by pretending she’s sane. — Ann e-mail address is not checked

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"The Singers ~                             They are not angels though they have the hollow look          of beings bred on ether." ~ Todd Hearon http://www.poetrymagazine.org/magazine/1205/poem_176063.html

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"We need to do everything possible To prevent the kind of pain that went into the following poem, Written by a 15 year old boy Two years before he killed himself ~ ‘Once…..he wrote a poem. And he called it "Chops," Because that was the name of his dog, and that’s what it was all about. And his teacher gave him an "A" And a gold star. And his mother hung it on the kitchen door, and read it to all his aunts… Once….he wrote another poem. And he called it "Question Marked Innocence," Because that was the name of his grief, and that’s what it was all about. And the professor gave him an "A" And a strange and steady look. And his mother never hung it on the kitchen door because he never let her see it… Once, at 3 a.m. … he tried another poem… And he called it absolutely nothing, because that’s what it was all about. And he gave himself an "A" And a slash on each damp wrist, and hung it on the bathroom door because he couldn’t reach the kitchen.’ Suicide is the worst, The most devastating outcome of mental illness. We can prevent more suicides than we do But we have social policies Which do not take psychiatric mortalities as seriously As they take deaths from cancer, AIDS, or heart disease. Social attitudes, and the stigma they reflect, Not only hurt those with mental illness, They kill." ~ Kay Jamison http://www.kcl.ac.uk/depsta/rel/festival/lectures/28062000redfield.html

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"Christmas (II) The shepherds sing; and shall I silent be?      My God, no hymn for thee? My soul’s a shepherd too; a flock it feeds      Of thoughts, and words, and deeds. The pasture is thy word: the streams, thy grace      Enriching all the place. Shepherd and flock shall sing, and all my powers      Outsing the daylight hours. Then we will chide the sun for letting night      Take up his place and right: We sing one common Lord; wherefore he should      Himself the candle hold. I will go searching, till I find a sun      Shall stay, till we have done; A willing shiner, that shall shine as gladly,      As frost-nipt suns look sadly. Then we will sing, and shine all our own day,      And one another pay: His beams shall cheer my breast, and both so twine, Till ev’n his beams sing, and my music shine." ~ George Herbert

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"When I was very young, After my mother’s traumatic death When I was six, I was relegated to the basement of our house, Giving up my bedroom To make way for a long series of mostly neurotic Live-in housekeepers. The three main things that sustained me Through the fear and loneliness were ~ My obsessive stubborness, My escape into fantasy And the arms of the mother earth of the natural world, And a very strong creative urge that seemed ~ along with depressive and bipolar disorders ~ to run in a good part of the family." ~ Peter Shefler http://www.healing-arts.org/tir/poetry.htm

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FYI:  I did a google search for T-One (spelled out as the name of the post usually reads) and found posts in all of these groups.  Does it make sense to you that a person with ADD would be able to handle this many groups  In all there 92 topics started or responded to by T-One. Most of the posts were pure gibberish and extremely cryptic.  

I think this person is in a manic state or something akin to that.  

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J Clarke, We want to acquire a gun. We are finally in agreement. Sincerely, Twittering LSTOO & Folly IAG

Oh no! Here I’ve been worrying about the dead silence coming from you for the last three days, and now the first thing I hear is you talking about wanting to acquire a gun. I know you probably feel like you’re going over a water fall right now, but life will continue, if you let it. Form a plan, a survival plan, for when you have a plan, there is always hope. Spit in the face of outrageous fate!  Steel yourself against life’s indignities. Resolve to carry on no matter what.  Do those who have wronged you deserve to have you die with a whimper?  No, be a burr in their sides if that’s what gives your life meaning. But most of all, don’t go gentle into that good night, rage, rage against the dying of the light. Double-A

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"I think this person is in a manic state Or something akin to that." ~ Emma Anne Meanwhile, "Bach was supposed to be a nasty guy." ~ Interlocutor "He may have been a nasty guy But he seems to have been pretty sane." ~ Kay Jamison http://www.pbs.org/lflc/backstage/march3/jamison.htm

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