Tim McVeigh: A Human Sacrifice to the EVIL "god" of Thought!!"

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It’s really too bad that you weren’t here in OKC a week after the bombing. Dead humans have a unique smell, especially if they are buried under hundreds of tons of smashed concrete and mangled rebar. The smell reached all the way to the freeway, which is almost a mile from the site. If McVeigh was a soldier, he turned traitor to his oath when he lit the fuse. Real justice would be to take a turn of det cord around his waist, set it off, then drop a hundred tons of freeway rubble on him from a hundred feet up, so he could identify with his victims just before all that concrete squashed him like the cockroach he is. Lethal injection is too good for the likes of McVeigh, it’s far too merciful a death.

well said .. I agree

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It’s really too bad that you weren’t here in OKC a week after the bombing. Dead humans have a unique smell, especially if they are buried under hundreds of tons of smashed concrete and mangled rebar. The smell reached all the way to the freeway, which is almost a mile from the site. If McVeigh was a soldier, he turned traitor to his oath when he lit the fuse. Real justice would be to take a turn of det cord around his waist, set it off, then drop a hundred tons of freeway rubble on him from a hundred feet up, so he could identify with his victims just before all that concrete squashed him like the cockroach he is. Lethal injection is too good for the likes of McVeigh, it’s far too merciful a death. well said .. I agree

I don’t agree. McVeigh was and is a divine instrument of God. Might God be capable of detecting and analyzing a problem with his grand plan for humanity and providing some remedy? If you believe in God then you should believe that God has power. Tthe most likely avenue for the manifestation of that power would be through the actions of mankind. He might pick a man, or many, out of our midst and guide them to do what he wanted done to change things. He might want to teach Americans a terrible lesson — what it really means to do unto others as you would have others to do unto you! McVeigh believed he was doing what needed to be done, what God wanted him to do, to support and defend the Constitution of the United States, as I’ve explained in greater detail in my posting of last evening to misc.activism.militia, copied below. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia writes: <In fact, this is not about the chained up, caged and subservient God of those faiths <at all. This is about God as described by the great patriot Thomas Paine in his 1794 <essay on Religion, The Age of Reason: < < "I believe in one God, and no more; and I hope for happiness beyond this life. < "I believe in the equality of man; and I believe that religious duties consist in <doing justice, loving mercy, and endeavoring to make our fellow-creatures happy. < "But, lest it should be supposed that I believe in many other things in addition <to these, I shall, in the progress of this work, declare the things I do not believe, <and my reasons for not believing them. < "I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman <church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by <any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church. < "All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, <appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, <and monopolize power and profit. < "I do not mean by this declaration to condemn those who believe otherwise; they <have the same right to their belief as I have to mine. But it is necessary to the <happiness of man, that he be mentally faithful to himself. Infidelity does not <consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what <he does not believe." < And that’s pretty much your straight secular humanism. No, that is not secular humanism. It is deism, as Thomas Paine plainly explains in Age of Reason: "That which is now called natural philosophy, embracing the whole circle of science, of which astronomy occupies the chief place, is the study of the works of God, and of the power and wisdom of God in his works, and is the true theology… "Deism, then, teaches us, without the possibility of being deceived, all that is necessary or proper to be known. The creation is the Bible of the Deist. He there reads, in the handwriting of the Creator himself, the certainty of his existence and the immutability of his power, and all other Bibles and Testaments are to him forgeries. The probability that we may be called to account hereafter will, to a reflecting mind, have the influence of belief; for it is not our belief or disbelief that can make or unmake the fact. As this is the state we are in, and which it is proper we should be in, as free agents, it is the fool only, and not the philosopher, or even the prudent man, that would live as if there were no God." And while the some of the views expressed by Thomas Paine in Age of Reason may share elements of commonality with some of the those expressed by secular humanists, in particular the reliance on scientific inquiry and rational thought, the religion of Thomas Paine is always fundamentally deism, a creed vociferously rejected by secular humanists. Secular humanism — according to Webster’s, is "an outlook or a philosophy that advocates human rather than religious values". But that’s the sort of belief system that Paine warns us against! In fact, and according to Thomas Paine, Christianity and secular humanism are more alike to each other than either are to deism: "As to the theology that is now studied in its place [Christianity, etc.] , it is the study of human opinions and of human fancies concerning God. It is not the study of God himself in the works that he has made, but in the works or writings that man has made; and it is not among the least of the mischiefs that the Christian system has done to the world, that it has abandoned the original and beautiful system of theology, like a beautiful innocent, to distress and reproach, to make room for the hag of superstition." Unlike secular humanists, Thomas Paine believes fervently in a benevolent God the Creator of the Universe. Most importantly, he tells us that God really exists and has real concern for and influence in the affairs of mankind. He writes in Age of Reason: "But some, perhaps, will say: Are we to have no word of God – no revelation? I answer, Yes; there is a word of God; there is a revelation. "THE WORD OF GOD IS THE CREATION WE BEHOLD and it is in this word, which no human invention can counterfeit or alter, that God speaketh universally to man… [Emphasis in original] "Do we want to contemplate his power? We see it in the immensity of the Creation. Do we want to contemplate his wisdom? We see it in the unchangeable order by which the incomprehensible whole is governed! Do we want to contemplate his munificence? We see it in the abundance with which he fills the earth. Do we want to contemplate his mercy? We see it in his not withholding that abundance even from the unthankful. In fine, do we want to know what God is? Search not the book called the Scripture, which any human hand might make, but the Scripture called the Creation." Fine with me; that’s how I’d describe myself. As a secular humanist? Not me! I’m with Thomas Paine! Now there was a man with Common Sense!!! But I think it relegates "god" to a purely ceremonial role — if it happens to posit a god at all. Spinonza’s god perhaps, certainly not a god who cares whether your sister’s soccer team wins — or whether your sister survives the leukemia. But again, I personally have no quarrel with that. Secular humanism does that, yes. It is essentially atheism. Deism, by definition, is the very opposite. And it posits God as the crown of creation! <Timothy McVeigh and David Koresh and others who have ears to hear were, are and will <be the divine instruments of God, as Thomas Paine was as well just such an <instrument, whether they know, knew or will know it or not. God is great! < I understood why you thought this of McVeigh — at least I think I did, but perhaps I’m presuming again — but Koresh? Why in the world do you think Koresh was tuned into anything transcendent? I’ve done a lot of reading on cults, a whole lot, and while I’m no Koresh scholar, everything I have come across about day-to-day life in Waco reads like a point-by-point checklist on how to set up your very own mind-control cult. Please note that by "cult", what I do not mean is "minor sect" or "strange religious beliefs". Mind-control cults are a particlar kind of psychodynamic — the don’t even have to be religious — and I think Koresh was simply a low-rent version of David Berg or Shoko Asahara or Sun Myung Moon. He managed to convince a small number of people that he knew better about every aspect of reality than they did, and thus they should hand over their beliefs, judgments, wills, and lives to him. I could give you dozens of riffs on this very same, very old story. What’s to admire there? Without David Koresh, would Timothy McVeigh have done what he did? Possibly. If not Koresh, then perhaps someone else might have lit the spark under McVeigh. But it was Koresh, or rather, what was done to him and his followers by an arrogant, corrupt, deceitful and tyrannical government, that inspired McVeigh to the ultimate act of retribution! So, Koresh was the instrument that inspired McVeigh. Many Americans act as instruments of God, even in government. Why did the FBI suddenly divulge that it had concealed over 3000 documents that would have been pertinent to the defense of Timothy McVeigh? Wouldn’t it have been more "prudent" to have destroyed those records? Is it possible that someone in the FBI actually has a conscience?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – *** post for FREE via your newsreader at post.newsfeeds.com *** Tim McVeigh: A Human Sacrifice to the EVIL "god" of Thought!!" To my blind and spiritually ignorant Brothers and Sisters, I ask you to look into yourselves as you relate to this Establishment-promoted political atmosphere which surrounds Waco, Ruby Ridge, and Oklahoma City. Pay attention to the insanity of a country’s degraded populace as it attempts to void its guilt by projecting it upon the shoulders of one man — Timothy McVeigh. The plain and simple fact is that Tim McVeigh IS A SOLDIER. Tim McVeigh did what SOLDIERS are TRAINED by their own COUNTRIES to do — KILL!! Who amongst you are capable of discerning the bottom line purpose of a soldier is that of either KILL OR BE KILLED! Why is KILLING in times of war (redistribution of wealth and population control devices) by trained individuals considered by a fear-driven, mind controlled, conditioned public to be POSITIVE, GOOD, GLORIOUS and HEROIC, yet EVIL, INSANE, and CRIMINAL when the same individual acts according to his training in a *personal perception* of a time of nondeclared war; i.e., PATRIOTIC REVOLUTION? Look if you will at the unbalanced, fear-laden sentiments being expressed in the TV, Radio Broadcasts and newspaper Media toward Tim McVeigh. Look also at the directed unbridled vicious, bloodthirsty comments made on these Internet newsgroups/forums by so called "NORMAL" law abiding citizens, many of whom consider Tim McVeigh to be the epitome — the personification — of EVIL. Is Tim McVeigh EVIL? If so, then ALL who are subject to the dualistic conditioning of Mind Control are equally EVIL. Tim McVeigh is a trained SOLDIER. What excuse is there for the rest of you on these newsgroups/forums who promote such hate? Would it not be interesting to take another look at their present conditioned view of the world, to observe these same, average, so-called "law abiding," civilized citizens who so readily rush out to condemn another as EVIL, while they ignore their own presently-unfolding, violent, conditioned "EVIL" momentum being allowed to continue unabated in this present corrupt, "stimulus-response" reinforced, fear-based society? Given enough time, perhaps you folks will wake up to see yourselves as you ACTUALLY ARE, and not as you THINK you are. The simple fact is: Guns don’t KILL. Knives don’t KILL. Clubs don’t KILL. Rocks don’t KILL. EVIL (Corrupted Intelligence) KILLS!!! In such an insane society, hell-bent for REVOLUTION, where does one start in opening the eyes of the blind and the ignorant to the EVIL within? Ray Karczewski When Christ Speaks — Who Listens? Error: posting not allowed. MSNBC is currently rejecting posts from your site. Ruminations of a Living Christ http://www.arkenterprises.com —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 90,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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I thought I understood the McVeigh story pretty well until last week, when someone on this NG explained to me that he is a Liberal. I hadn’t suspected at all. Tom J Science based reasoning You see, it works like this. In the crazed mind of a right wingnut, there is no need to pay taxes to pay for all of those roads and bridges, for the costs of repairing tornado-damaged communities, or for the medical research that has all but cured childhood cancers. Yet when our companies need bailouts to protect our shares in Chrysler, right wingnuts are first in line to collect the handout.

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Soldiers kill other soldiers, and only civilians when absolutely necessary. In addition, why do you have trouble with us killing a soldier in times of war? I say he deserves to die, whether as a villain or as a soldier. He is willing to die as a soldier – let him. Scott

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – *** post for FREE via your newsreader at post.newsfeeds.com *** Re: Tim McVeigh: A Human Sacrifice to the EVIL "god" of Thought!!" : rk: To my blind and spiritually ignorant Brothers and Sisters, I ask you to look into yourselves as you relate to this Establishment-promoted political atmosphere which surrounds Waco, Ruby Ridge, and Oklahoma City. rk: Pay attention to the insanity of a country’s degraded populace as it attempts to void its guilt by projecting it upon the shoulders of one man — Timothy McVeigh. rk: The plain and simple fact is that Tim McVeigh IS A SOLDIER. rk: Tim McVeigh did what SOLDIERS are TRAINED by their own COUNTRIES to do — KILL!! rk: Who amongst you are capable of discerning the bottom line purpose of a soldier is that of either KILL OR BE KILLED! rk: Why is KILLING in times of war (redistribution of wealth and population control devices) by trained individuals considered by a fear-driven, mind controlled, conditioned public to be POSITIVE, GOOD, GLORIOUS and HEROIC, yet EVIL, INSANE, and CRIMINAL when the same individual acts according to his training in a *personal perception* of a time of nondeclared war; i.e., PATRIOTIC REVOLUTION? rk: Look if you will at the unbalanced, fear-laden sentiments being expressed in the TV, Radio Broadcasts and newspaper Media toward Tim McVeigh. Look also at the directed unbridled vicious, bloodthirsty comments made on these Internet newsgroups/forums by so called "NORMAL" law abiding citizens, many of whom consider Tim McVeigh to be the epitome — the personification — of EVIL. rk: Is Tim McVeigh EVIL? rk: If so, then ALL who are subject to the dualistic conditioning of Mind Control are equally EVIL. rk: Tim McVeigh is a trained SOLDIER. rk: What excuse is there for the rest of you on these newsgroups/forums who promote such hate? rk: Would it not be interesting to take another look at their present conditioned view of the world, to observe these same, average, so-called "law abiding," civilized citizens who so readily rush out to condemn another as EVIL, while they ignore their own presently-unfolding, violent, conditioned "EVIL" momentum being allowed to continue unabated in this present corrupt, "stimulus-response" reinforced, fear-based society? Given enough time, perhaps you folks will wake up to see yourselves as you ACTUALLY ARE, and not as you THINK you are. rk: The simple fact is: Guns don’t KILL. Knives don’t KILL. Clubs don’t KILL. Rocks don’t KILL. rk: EVIL (Corrupted Intelligence) KILLS!!! rk: In such an insane society, hell-bent for REVOLUTION, where does one start in opening the eyes of the blind and the ignorant to the EVIL within? Ray Karczewski k: Timmy is NOT a soldier. He is a coward and a felon. If he wanted to be a martyr so badly, when he delivered the explosives to the Murrah building in the Ryder truck, all he had to do is NOT GET OUT! To call him a trained soldier, doing what soldiers are supposed to do, is a slap in the face of all who so proudly served and defended our country in various conflicts that we had no control of. To kill innocent civilians in a viscious attack on a non-military installation, with no tinge of conscious, is the act of a coward, not a hero. I would give all I own for the pleasure of giving him a ride on the needle by my own hand. Even this is too good for him. It will be like watching some person take a nap. This is not an execution. An execution is burning hair and flesh, choking on poisonous gas, and the grotesque expressions of fear and terror on the face of the condemned. May Timmy rot in Hell for his cowardly acts. God Kurt MM, SDeM, PMC rk: My suggestion to you would be to reread what you have expressed in this post, then ask yourself what makes you any more or less a KILLER IN SPIRIT than the man you have chosen to project your "conditioned, pent up" hatred upon. rk: Although unwittingly, you have indeed provided a service to the world in this article. You have exposed to all who would read your words the actual corrupt spirit of damn near all repressed civilized human beings who hide their seething, conflicted, vicious distorted spirit of a "potential" KILLER behind their everyday, hypocritical, positive-imaged masks. rk: As to your naive comment about " To kill innocent civilians in a viscious attack on a non-military installation, with no tinge of conscious,…" and/or the killing of innocent women and children during wartime, ever hear of "Mai Lai?" rk: All you have managed to display in this rather ignominious response of yours is your own ignorance and latent "KILLER SPIRIT." What remains for such potential to be transformed into the realm of the actual is for the mind controller(s) of government and media to push your BUTTONS. How are they doin??? rk: Hell, isn’t it? Ray Karczewski When Christ Speaks — Who Listens? Error: posting not allowed. MSNBC is currently rejecting posts from your site. 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Wow, wacky ole Ray comes back from the loonybin, or wherever it was he’s been, and promptly resumes making a fool of himself. tim gueguen 101867

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rk: To my blind and spiritually ignorant Brothers and Sisters, I ask you to look into yourselves as you relate to this Establishment-promoted political atmosphere which surrounds Waco, Ruby Ridge, and Oklahoma City. rk: Pay attention to the insanity of a country’s degraded populace as it attempts to void its guilt by projecting it upon the shoulders of one man — Timothy McVeigh. rk: The plain and simple fact is that Tim McVeigh IS A SOLDIER. rk: Tim McVeigh did what SOLDIERS are TRAINED by their own COUNTRIES to do — KILL!! rk: Who amongst you are capable of discerning the bottom line purpose of a soldier is that of either KILL OR BE KILLED! rk: Why is KILLING in times of war (redistribution of wealth and population control devices) by trained individuals considered by a fear-driven, mind controlled, conditioned public to be POSITIVE, GOOD, GLORIOUS and HEROIC, yet EVIL, INSANE, and CRIMINAL when the same individual acts according to his training in a *personal perception* of a time of nondeclared war; i.e., PATRIOTIC REVOLUTION? rk: Look if you will at the unbalanced, fear-laden sentiments being expressed in the TV, Radio Broadcasts and newspaper Media toward Tim McVeigh. Look also at the directed unbridled vicious, bloodthirsty comments made on these Internet newsgroups/forums by so called "NORMAL" law abiding citizens, many of whom consider Tim McVeigh to be the epitome — the personification — of EVIL. rk: Is Tim McVeigh EVIL? rk: If so, then ALL who are subject to the dualistic conditioning of Mind Control are equally EVIL. rk: Tim McVeigh is a trained SOLDIER. rk: What excuse is there for the rest of you on these newsgroups/forums who promote such hate? rk: Would it not be interesting to take another look at their present conditioned view of the world, to observe these same, average, so-called "law abiding," civilized citizens who so readily rush out to condemn another as EVIL, while they ignore their own presently-unfolding, violent, conditioned "EVIL" momentum being allowed to continue unabated in this present corrupt, "stimulus-response" reinforced, fear-based society? Given enough time, perhaps you folks will wake up to see yourselves as you ACTUALLY ARE, and not as you THINK you are. rk: The simple fact is: Guns don’t KILL. Knives don’t KILL. Clubs don’t KILL. Rocks don’t KILL. rk: EVIL (Corrupted Intelligence) KILLS!!! rk: In such an insane society, hell-bent for REVOLUTION, where does one start in opening the eyes of the blind and the ignorant to the EVIL within? Ray Karczewski k: Timmy is NOT a soldier. He is a coward and a felon. If he wanted to be a martyr so badly, when he delivered the explosives to the Murrah building in the Ryder truck, all he had to do is NOT GET OUT! To call him a trained soldier, doing what soldiers are supposed to do, is a slap in the face of all who so proudly served and defended our country in various conflicts that we had no control of. To kill innocent civilians in a viscious attack on a non-military installation, with no tinge of conscious, is the act of a coward, not a hero. I would give all I own for the pleasure of giving him a ride on the needle by my own hand. Even this is too good for him. It will be like watching some person take a nap. This is not an execution. An execution is burning hair and flesh, choking on poisonous gas, and the grotesque expressions of fear and terror on the face of the condemned. May Timmy rot in Hell for his cowardly acts. God Kurt MM, SDeM, PMC rk: My suggestion to you would be to reread what you have expressed in this post, then ask yourself what makes you any more or less a KILLER IN SPIRIT than the man you have chosen to project your "conditioned, pent up" hatred upon. rk: Although unwittingly, you have indeed provided a service to the world in this article. You have exposed to all who would read your words the actual corrupt spirit of damn near all repressed civilized human beings who hide their seething, conflicted, vicious distorted spirit of a "potential" KILLER behind their everyday, hypocritical, positive-imaged masks. rk: As to your naive comment about " To kill innocent civilians in a viscious attack on a non-military installation, with no tinge of conscious,…" and/or the killing of innocent women and children during wartime, ever hear of "Mai Lai?" rk: All you have managed to display in this rather ignominious response of yours is your own ignorance and latent "KILLER SPIRIT." What remains for such potential to be transformed into the realm of the actual is for the mind controller(s) of government and media to push your BUTTONS. How are they doin??? rk: Hell, isn’t it? Ray Karczewski When Christ Speaks — Who Listens? Error: posting not allowed. MSNBC is currently rejecting posts from your site. 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I’m not a big fan of my government at Waco and Ruby Ridge. Should you require my attention, the best way to get it would *not* be to indicate you assume I’m blind and spiritually ignorant. Pay attention to the insanity of a country’s degraded populace as it attempts to void its guilt by projecting it upon the shoulders of one man — Timothy McVeigh.

Nonsense. If you have courage, stick with the thread and hash it out. The plain and simple fact is that Tim McVeigh IS A SOLDIER.

Tim McVeigh, whatever else he is, is a deluded human being who thinks killing children in peacetime is in any way justified. My only prayer is that they *DON’T* kill him — we don’t need another martyr. Tim McVeigh did what SOLDIERS are TRAINED by their own COUNTRIES to do — KILL!! Who amongst you are capable of discerning the bottom line purpose of a soldier is that of either KILL OR BE KILLED! Why is KILLING in times of war (redistribution of wealth and population control devices) by trained individuals considered by a fear-driven, mind controlled, conditioned public to be POSITIVE, GOOD, GLORIOUS and HEROIC, yet EVIL, INSANE, and CRIMINAL when the same individual acts according to his training in a *personal perception* of a time of nondeclared war; i.e., PATRIOTIC REVOLUTION?

Because in time of war, there are stated national goals behind which each member of the nation may, in theory, band behind. When one takes his "war" to the nation he’s purporting to serve, it’s terrorism, and never, ever, ever, ever, ever justified. Unless you think the children slaughtered had, in any way, something to do with whatever disgruntlement you have with the political policies of the US. Caps won’t help your cause. Timmy McVeigh killed children, period. Look if you will at the unbalanced, fear-laden sentiments being expressed in the TV, Radio Broadcasts and newspaper Media toward Tim McVeigh. Look also at the directed unbridled vicious, bloodthirsty comments made on these Internet newsgroups/forums by so called "NORMAL" law abiding citizens, many of whom consider Tim McVeigh to be the epitome — the personification — of EVIL. Is Tim McVeigh EVIL?

He’s a person. He did a horrible thing. If so, then ALL who are subject to the dualistic conditioning of Mind Control are equally EVIL. Tim McVeigh is a trained SOLDIER.

So? So is my father, 1st Lieutenant, Infantry. He’s never hurt a person in his life willingly. What excuse is there for the rest of you on these newsgroups/forums who promote such hate?

Could you be more specific, please? To be honest, that’s how I see this post, though I’m looking for a reason not to. Would it not be interesting to take another look at their present conditioned view of the world, to observe these same, average, so-called "law abiding," civilized citizens who so readily rush out to condemn another as EVIL, while they ignore their own presently-unfolding, violent, conditioned "EVIL" momentum being allowed to continue unabated in this present corrupt, "stimulus-response" reinforced, fear-based society? Given enough time, perhaps you folks will wake up to see yourselves as you ACTUALLY ARE, and not as you THINK you are. The simple fact is: Guns don’t KILL. Knives don’t KILL. Clubs don’t KILL. Rocks don’t KILL.

No. Timmy killed. EVIL (Corrupted Intelligence) KILLS!!!

Yep. Timmy killed. In such an insane society, hell-bent for REVOLUTION, where does one start in opening the eyes of the blind and the ignorant to the EVIL within?

Ah, so evil is justified if it’s to combat some nebulous idea of evil. Tell it to the children. What’s wrong with you, anyhow? My turn with caps. Ideology is NEVER MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE LIVES OF PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY IF THEY’RE CHILDREN!!! Bye. Sunny – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ray Karczewski When Christ Speaks — Who Listens? Error: posting not allowed. MSNBC is currently rejecting posts from your site. Ruminations of a Living Christ http://www.arkenterprises.com —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 90,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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*** post for FREE via your newsreader at post.newsfeeds.com *** Tim McVeigh: A Human Sacrifice to the EVIL "god" of Thought!!" To my blind and spiritually ignorant Brothers and Sisters, I ask you to look into yourselves as you relate to this Establishment-promoted political atmosphere which surrounds Waco, Ruby Ridge, and Oklahoma City. Pay attention to the insanity of a country’s degraded populace as it attempts to void its guilt by projecting it upon the shoulders of one man — Timothy McVeigh. The plain and simple fact is that Tim McVeigh IS A SOLDIER. Tim McVeigh did what SOLDIERS are TRAINED by their own COUNTRIES to do — KILL!! Who amongst you are capable of discerning the bottom line purpose of a soldier is that of either KILL OR BE KILLED! Why is KILLING in times of war (redistribution of wealth and population control devices) by trained individuals considered by a fear-driven, mind controlled, conditioned public to be POSITIVE, GOOD, GLORIOUS and HEROIC, yet EVIL, INSANE, and CRIMINAL when the same individual acts according to his training in a *personal perception* of a time of nondeclared war; i.e., PATRIOTIC REVOLUTION? Look if you will at the unbalanced, fear-laden sentiments being expressed in the TV, Radio Broadcasts and newspaper Media toward Tim McVeigh. Look also at the directed unbridled vicious, bloodthirsty comments made on these Internet newsgroups/forums by so called "NORMAL" law abiding citizens, many of whom consider Tim McVeigh to be the epitome — the personification — of EVIL. Is Tim McVeigh EVIL? If so, then ALL who are subject to the dualistic conditioning of Mind Control are equally EVIL. Tim McVeigh is a trained SOLDIER. What excuse is there for the rest of you on these newsgroups/forums who promote such hate? Would it not be interesting to take another look at their present conditioned view of the world, to observe these same, average, so-called "law abiding," civilized citizens who so readily rush out to condemn another as EVIL, while they ignore their own presently-unfolding, violent, conditioned "EVIL" momentum being allowed to continue unabated in this present corrupt, "stimulus-response" reinforced, fear-based society? Given enough time, perhaps you folks will wake up to see yourselves as you ACTUALLY ARE, and not as you THINK you are. The simple fact is: Guns don’t KILL. Knives don’t KILL. Clubs don’t KILL. Rocks don’t KILL. EVIL (Corrupted Intelligence) KILLS!!! In such an insane society, hell-bent for REVOLUTION, where does one start in opening the eyes of the blind and the ignorant to the EVIL within? Ray Karczewski When Christ Speaks — Who Listens? Error: posting not allowed. MSNBC is currently rejecting posts from your site. Ruminations of a Living Christ http://www.arkenterprises.com —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 90,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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