National Security

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**snip There would likely be no electricity, running water, airports, little medicine except herbs, etc.

***any race of people could have done this. Herbs are what most medicine has come from. IOW we would be far from the greatest nation on the earth.

****You’re a Canadian? ;D **snip There’s more trees now than there were when the white man came due to reforestation and other conservation..

***how much healthy old growth? we are talking forests here..not tree farms. We only conserve when it gets to us losing it….seems the countries in North America care little for the links that we are part of. **snip Godhood? How far out and what are you on?

**so you never heard of people considering whites *best* and having a right to grow as big as they want..take all they want..etc.? in short seeing them as Gods to other races. What am I on ? nuttin buddy…don’t even smoke. You are going completely on what a certain white culture says is progress…and forgetting that others out there have their own definition of progress. And you don’t drive, cook, eat processed food, drink water from a man made fountain? Get real!

****No. Yes. No. Yes. Never said I don’t do this…what I am arguing about is you pegging whites as these wonderful benefactors who if not for them…the *poor wee savages* would have had it worse. The fact that many consider Eden the ideal yet at the same time consider what we are doing is *progress* ..kinda don’t add up. Yes it does. Eden was taken away because God would not tolerate the evil ways of Adam and Eve which the learned from a snake.

**** Hehe. Prove it. I’ll bet you hate my SUV!

***Nope. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Brenda

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Old growth rots and becomes fire hazards. we are talking forests here..not tree farms. We only conserve when it gets to us losing it….seems the countries in North America care little for the links that we are part of. **snip Godhood? How far out and what are you on? **so you never heard of people considering whites *best* and having a right to grow as big as they want..take all they want..etc.? in short seeing them as Gods to other races.

The only ones I’ve encountered who think they’re God are the ones like you who want to tell ones like me how to live. What am I on ? nuttin buddy…don’t even smoke.

Stop drinking that spring water that runs under some stumps then. You are going completely on what a certain white culture says is progress…and forgetting that others out there have their own definition of progress. And you don’t drive, cook, eat processed food, drink water from a man made fountain? Get real! ****No. Yes. No. Yes. Never said I don’t do this…what I am arguing about is you pegging whites as these wonderful benefactors who if not for them…the *poor wee savages* would have had it worse.

Sorry ’bout that, whites contributing more to mankind than any other race, that is. LOL The fact that many consider Eden the ideal yet at the same time consider what we are doing is *progress* ..kinda don’t add up. Yes it does. Eden was taken away because God would not tolerate the evil ways of Adam and Eve which the learned from a snake. **** Hehe. Prove it.

YOU prove otherwise! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ll bet you hate my SUV! ***Nope. Brenda

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**snip *** almost anyone with an American factory overseas or in Mexico paying the labourers dirt cheap to take advantage of them. Any person supporting right wing dictatorships to flourish. Yep, those poor workers would not have jobs without the rich manufacturers. They would still be starving off the land.

** so instead of giving people a decent living wage and proper saftey practises you take advantage of them….nice. By the way..with the wages they get? they are barely NOT starving. You’re too stupid to know how you reap what you sow. I’ve did very well, thank you. I’m happily married and retired comfortably. And you’re full of hate apparently. *** and you cannot see the world past your nose or your comfortable little existence apparently. It took a while to get here. I did it myself. And yes, I was in business myself and know what it’s like to have to nursemaid those ‘po’ workers.

****well good for you. I hope all the Ozzie and Harriets of the world have bright sunshiney lives. Pssst. Wake up. I’ll bet you love Al GOre who now drives an SUV, much like mine.

****actually I don’t care about cars. Brenda

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Are you white? If so, your ancestors were immigrants. Go back to England before you start telling other people to go back where they came from. Fuck off immigrant lover, been here a really, really long time, and will fight to keep what’s mine. Fuck the world, let them eat shit.

No need for the vulgar language, Joe. But you can tell them if not for white people the natives would likely still be throwing spears at their food and the continent wouls still be a wilderness.

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****and this is bad why? and what makes you believe this?…and also when my ancestors came to the Turtle Island in 1615 they dressed differently….ate differently and talked differently….and they either progressed or regressed dependant upon your attitude. Why would any other culture not do the same? Also we learnt how to fertilize crops …survive the environment and hunt and fish etc. from the natives who knew the land like the backs of their hands…guess the learning went both ways huh? Brenda

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John Thank you for that racist comment.. You have now proven yourself to be useless

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John Thank you for that racist comment.. You have now proven yourself to be useless

Wild Horse appears to be another that cannot tell the difference from truth and racism. sad… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Are you white? If so, your ancestors were immigrants. Go back to England before you start telling other people to go back where they came from. Fuck off immigrant lover, been here a really, really long time, and will fight to keep what’s mine. Fuck the world, let them eat shit. No need for the vulgar language, Joe. But you can tell them if not for white people the natives would likely still be throwing spears at their food and the continent wouls still be a wilderness.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Re: National Security Reply to: [1] "John Tibbs" Organization: Giganews.Com – Premium News Outsourcing Newsgroups: [2] rec.org.mensa, [3] alt.christnet, [4] alt.politics.democrats.d, [5] alt.politics.clinton, [6] alt.conspiracy, [7] alt.activism, [8] alt.current-events.usa, [9] alt.politics.usa Followup to: [10] newsgroup(s) References: Are you white? If so, your ancestors were immigrants. Go back to England before you start telling other people to go back where they came from. Fuck off immigrant lover, been here a really, really long time, and will fight to keep what’s mine. Fuck the world, let them eat shit. No need for the vulgar language, Joe. But you can tell them if not for white people the natives would likely still be throwing spears at their food and the continent wouls still be a wilderness. ****and this is bad why? and what makes you believe this?…and also when my ancestors came to the Turtle Island in 1615 they dressed differently….ate differently and talked differently….and they either progressed or regressed dependant upon your attitude. Why would any other culture not do the same?

A good example is to realize how the native people of third world countries live outside the structural world the Europeans built and without the benefit of white man’s inventions. Also we learnt how to fertilize crops …survive the environment and hunt and fish etc. from the natives who knew the land like the backs of their hands…guess the learning went both ways huh?

Both ways yes, but the progress only began when white people developed the resources. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Brenda

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Re: National Security cannot tell the difference from truth and racism. sad… if not for white people the natives would likely still be throwing spears at their food and the continent wouls still be a wilderness. What a racist you are. Interesting research is showing that many of the aboriginal Americans had complex and beneficial agricultural systems. Yeah, like following the herds of bison to keep from starving. **** gosh..the natives living in California did that? the east coasters? wow…interesting. Are the New York Bison any tougher than the Californian? Sheesh. Learn a little man!

I don’t have to because with the power of reasoning, I know that your ideas don’t make sense. Racists like you wouldn’t be smart enough to understand things such as the Mayan calendar, either, of course.

Oh? And about their human sacrifices also? I don’t need to. And anyone who calls one who tells it like it is a ‘racist’ really has nothing else to argue with. **** Wow..to be proud of such ignorance is amazing.

I’m not surprised you are amazed since you apparently believe your nonsense. You’re just the type of creep who likes it when rich white men make poor brown babies die so they can get richer. Yeah,. name one! *** almost anyone with an American factory overseas or in Mexico paying the labourers dirt cheap to take advantage of them. Any person supporting right wing dictatorships to flourish.

Yep, those poor workers would not have jobs without the rich manufacturers. They would still be starving off the land. You’re too stupid to know how you reap what you sow. I’ve did very well, thank you. I’m happily married and retired comfortably. And you’re full of hate apparently. *** and you cannot see the world past your nose or your comfortable little existence apparently.

It took a while to get here. I did it myself. And yes, I was in business myself and know what it’s like to have to nursemaid those ‘po’ workers. I’ll bet you love Al GOre who now drives an SUV, much like mine. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Are you white? If so, your ancestors were immigrants. Go back to England before you start telling other people to go back where they came from. Fuck off immigrant lover, been here a really, really long time, and will fight to keep what’s mine. Fuck the world, let them eat shit. No need for the vulgar language, Joe. But you can tell them if not for white people the natives would likely still be throwing spears at their food and the continent wouls still be a wilderness. ****and this is bad why? and what makes you believe this?…and also when my ancestors came to the Turtle Island in 1615 they dressed differently….ate differently and talked differently….and they either progressed or regressed dependant upon your attitude. Why would any other culture not do the same? A good example is to realize how the native people of third world countries live outside the structural world the Europeans built and without the benefit of white man’s inventions. ***caucasion inventions are a plus as are non-caucasion inventions. I would also wonder had it not been for the *third-world* countries labour and resources..how un-beneficial life would be here in North America.

There would likely be no electricity, running water, airports, little medicine except herbs, etc. IOW we would be far from the greatest nation on the earth. Also we learnt how to fertilize crops …survive the environment and hunt and fish etc. from the natives who knew the land like the backs of their hands…guess the learning went both ways huh? Both ways yes, but the progress only began when white people developed the resources. *** depends on what you mean by progress. Destruction of forests?

There’s more trees now than there were when the white man came due to reforestation and other conservation.. pollution of streams from mining…Oil spills..overuse of pesticides..

Lotsa bugs, no machinery, no coal for heat, no copper for machinery, no silver for electronics but then…without electricity, who would use it anyway? .the incredible *use and toss* mentality…

I happen to agree with this one. the extinction and near extinction of many animals..

Species have come and gone ever since the earth began and will continue to go. Even the human race may someday go ‘poof’ .the concept of manifest destiny…the belief in *white godhood* etc.

Godhood? How far out and what are you on? You are going completely on what a certain white culture says is progress…and forgetting that others out there have their own definition of progress.

And you don’t drive, cook, eat processed food, drink water from a man made fountain? Get real! The fact that many consider Eden the ideal yet at the same time consider what we are doing is *progress* ..kinda don’t add up.

Yes it does. Eden was taken away because God would not tolerate the evil ways of Adam and Eve which the learned from a snake. I’ll bet you hate my SUV! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Brenda

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The whites came here and had to be taught about Democracy. This has to be the biggest kludge I’v seen in the last 3 months, the Cherokee "invented" demoocracy?????? Gee everyone else pertty much credits it to the greek city-states, which predate you by about 3,000 years. The American system of Government is based entirely on the system of Government that was in use by the Cherokee Nation long before any whites ever appeared on American soil. No, the primitive tribes didn’t have a goverment, not what a modern people would consider a goverment, more like an association, if anything it would be considered an genocracy(goverment by the old).

I think all of that nonsense is just another made-up ‘talking point’ by the wannabe history revisionists of the left. They probably even hate my SUV!

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John The Native People were not "Tribal" Did not "Chase their food" and didn’t fight other NATIONS for women.

Your history is the left-wing revised version and totally different than mine in the forties and fifties. Native fighting was over such things as land, food, rights of the people. Something similar to what current fighting is over.

You mean Arafat is going hungry? Someone pointed out a mistake I made, and I will admit the mistake. The United States Government was based on the Government of the Iroquois Confederation, of which the Cherokee were part. My mistake, I couldn’t remember the name of the confederation and used the name of one of the Nations of the confederation.

So? In any case, it’s B.S. You say you are part Cherokee. Tell me, which part of you is Cherokee?

I dunno. But the only actual knowledge other than her name was that she once lived in Choska, Indian Territory of Missouri. Also, you say your Great-Grandmother was rescued from the Trail? Since the trail was in the 1830’s you must be around 90? 80? 70?

Close. Ask JimC. He keeps up with my personal life as much as his nosiness can. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The difference between truth and racism… Interesting concept there John. Consider this. The Whites came here and the Native American People had to teach them how to plant crops. Consider this, hoss, the white people also planted and reaped harvests before they came here. The whites came here and had to be taught about Democracy. B.S. The natives were simply tribal and chased their food and fought other tribes for the women. The American system of Government is based entirely on the system of Government that was in use by the Cherokee Nation long before any whites ever appeared on American soil. Who told you that, some environmental whacko? And what does the Native People get for teaching the whites… RACISTS and RACIST comments from the likes of you. Hee,hehe, I’m part Cherokee from my greatgrandmother, a rescuee from the "Trail of Tears" in Tennessee. John Thank you for that racist comment.. You have now proven yourself to be useless Wild Horse appears to be another that cannot tell the difference from truth and racism. sad… Are you white? If so, your ancestors were immigrants. Go back to England before you start telling other people to go back where they came from. Fuck off immigrant lover, been here a really, really long time, and will fight to keep what’s mine. Fuck the world, let them eat shit. No need for the vulgar language, Joe. But you can tell them if not for white people the natives would likely still be throwing spears at their food and the continent wouls still be a wilderness.

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John The Native People were not "Tribal" Did not "Chase their food" and didn’t fight other NATIONS for women. Native fighting was over such things as land, food, rights of the people. Something similar to what current fighting is over. Someone pointed out a mistake I made, and I will admit the mistake. The United States Government was based on the Government of the Iroquois Confederation, of which the Cherokee were part. My mistake, I couldn’t remember the name of the confederation and used the name of one of the Nations of the confederation. You say you are part Cherokee. Tell me, which part of you is Cherokee? Also, you say your Great-Grandmother was rescued from the Trail? Since the trail was in the 1830’s you must be around 90? 80? 70?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The difference between truth and racism… Interesting concept there John. Consider this. The Whites came here and the Native American People had to teach them how to plant crops. Consider this, hoss, the white people also planted and reaped harvests before they came here. The whites came here and had to be taught about Democracy. B.S. The natives were simply tribal and chased their food and fought other tribes for the women. The American system of Government is based entirely on the system of Government that was in use by the Cherokee Nation long before any whites ever appeared on American soil. Who told you that, some environmental whacko? And what does the Native People get for teaching the whites… RACISTS and RACIST comments from the likes of you. Hee,hehe, I’m part Cherokee from my greatgrandmother, a rescuee from the "Trail of Tears" in Tennessee. John Thank you for that racist comment.. You have now proven yourself to be useless Wild Horse appears to be another that cannot tell the difference from truth and racism. sad… Are you white? If so, your ancestors were immigrants. Go back to England before you start telling other people to go back where they came from. Fuck off immigrant lover, been here a really, really long time, and will fight to keep what’s mine. Fuck the world, let them eat shit. No need for the vulgar language, Joe. But you can tell them if not for white people the natives would likely still be throwing spears at their food and the continent wouls still be a wilderness.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Re: National Security Reply to: [1] Ashland Henderson Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Newsgroups: [2] rec.org.mensa, [3] alt.christnet, [4] alt.politics.democrats.d, [5] alt.politics.clinton, [6] alt.conspiracy, [7] alt.activism, [8] alt.current-events.usa, [9] alt.politics.usa Followup to: [10] newsgroup(s) References: The difference between truth and racism… Interesting concept there John. Consider this. The Whites came here and the Native American People had to teach them how to plant crops. Don’t get too carried away with yourself. Farming goes back farther in history in Europe and Asia than it does in the Americas.

*** from what we know so far. Besides that I believe he was commenting on Europeans experience with North American soil and terrain. Applying Europeans techniques to the soil here may have been only partially productive. Let’s face it…we needed Native help when we came here and had it not been for them we may not have made it. With them we only benefitted…with us…they had deficits and benefits. I believe that racism is racism no matter who it comes from as well. Brenda

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The difference between truth and racism… Interesting concept there John. Consider this. The Whites came here and the Native American People had to teach them how to plant crops.

Don’t get too carried away with yourself. Farming goes back farther in history in Europe and Asia than it does in the Americas. The whites came here and had to be taught about Democracy.

That’s not strictly true either. The Iriquois Confederation seems to have been at least in part a response to the arrival of the Europeans. The American system of Government is based entirely on the system of Government that was in use by the Cherokee Nation long before any whites ever appeared on American soil.

By and large that is, I believe, more of an urban legend than a reality. I could be wrong, of course, but even so the truth is liable to be somewhere between your view and that of John. And what does the Native People get for teaching the whites… RACISTS and RACIST comments from the likes of you.

Racisim cuts both ways. You and John both appear to have versions of it.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Are you white? If so, your ancestors were immigrants. Go back to England before you start telling other people to go back where they came from. Fuck off immigrant lover, been here a really, really long time, and will fight to keep what’s mine. Fuck the world, let them eat shit. No need for the vulgar language, Joe. But you can tell them if not for white people the natives would likely still be throwing spears at their food and the continent wouls still be a wilderness.

Interesting. Do you eat potatoes? Beans? Corn? Tomatoes? Somewhere around 50% of the world’s food supply was domesticated here in what you term "a wilderness".

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**** gosh..the natives living in California did that? the east coasters? wow…interesting. Are the New York Bison any tougher than the Californian? Sheesh. Learn a little man! Racists like you wouldn’t be smart enough to understand things such as the Mayan calendar, either, of course. I don’t need to. And anyone who calls one who tells it like it is a ‘racist’ really has nothing else to argue with.

**** Wow..to be proud of such ignorance is amazing. You’re just the type of creep who likes it when rich white men make poor brown babies die so they can get richer. Yeah,. name one!

*** almost anyone with an American factory overseas or in Mexico paying the labourers dirt cheap to take advantage of them. Any person supporting right wing dictatorships to flourish. You’re too stupid to know how you reap what you sow. I’ve did very well, thank you. I’m happily married and retired comfortably. And you’re full of hate apparently.

*** and you cannot see the world past your nose or your comfortable little existence apparently.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Re: National Security Reply to: [1] "John Tibbs" Organization: Giganews.Com – Premium News Outsourcing Newsgroups: [2] rec.org.mensa, [3] alt.christnet, [4] alt.politics.democrats.d, [5] alt.politics.clinton, [6] alt.conspiracy, [7] alt.activism, [8] alt.current-events.usa, [9] alt.politics.usa Followup to: [10] newsgroup(s) References: Re: National Security Reply to: [1] "John Tibbs" Organization: Giganews.Com – Premium News Outsourcing Newsgroups: [2] rec.org.mensa, [3] alt.christnet, [4] alt.politics.democrats.d, [5] alt.politics.clinton, [6] alt.conspiracy, [7] alt.activism, [8] alt.current-events.usa, [9] alt.politics.usa Followup to: [10] newsgroup(s) References: Are you white? If so, your ancestors were immigrants. Go back to England before you start telling other people to go back where they came from. Fuck off immigrant lover, been here a really, really long time, and will fight to keep what’s mine. Fuck the world, let them eat shit. No need for the vulgar language, Joe. But you can tell them if not for white people the natives would likely still be throwing spears at their food and the continent wouls still be a wilderness. ****and this is bad why? and what makes you believe this?…and also when my ancestors came to the Turtle Island in 1615 they dressed differently….ate differently and talked differently….and they either progressed or regressed dependant upon your attitude. Why would any other culture not do the same? A good example is to realize how the native people of third world countries live outside the structural world the Europeans built and without the benefit of white man’s inventions.

***caucasion inventions are a plus as are non-caucasion inventions. I would also wonder had it not been for the *third-world* countries labour and resources..how un-beneficial life would be here in North America. Also we learnt how to fertilize crops …survive the environment and hunt and fish etc. from the natives who knew the land like the backs of their hands…guess the learning went both ways huh? Both ways yes, but the progress only began when white people developed the resources.

*** depends on what you mean by progress. Destruction of forests? pollution of streams from mining…Oil spills..overuse of pesticides…the incredible *use and toss* mentality…the extinction and near extinction of many animals…the concept of manifest destiny…the belief in *white godhood* etc. You are going completely on what a certain white culture says is progress…and forgetting that others out there have their own definition of progress. The fact that many consider Eden the ideal yet at the same time consider what we are doing is *progress* ..kinda don’t add up. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Brenda

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The difference between truth and racism… Interesting concept there John. Consider this. The Whites came here and the Native American People had to teach them how to plant crops.

Consider this, hoss, the white people also planted and reaped harvests before they came here. The whites came here and had to be taught about Democracy.

B.S. The natives were simply tribal and chased their food and fought other tribes for the women. The American system of Government is based entirely on the system of Government that was in use by the Cherokee Nation long before any whites ever appeared on American soil.

Who told you that, some environmental whacko? And what does the Native People get for teaching the whites… RACISTS and RACIST comments from the likes of you.

Hee,hehe, I’m part Cherokee from my greatgrandmother, a rescuee from the "Trail of Tears" in Tennessee. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – John Thank you for that racist comment.. You have now proven yourself to be useless Wild Horse appears to be another that cannot tell the difference from truth and racism. sad… Are you white? If so, your ancestors were immigrants. Go back to England before you start telling other people to go back where they came from. Fuck off immigrant lover, been here a really, really long time, and will fight to keep what’s mine. Fuck the world, let them eat shit. No need for the vulgar language, Joe. But you can tell them if not for white people the natives would likely still be throwing spears at their food and the continent wouls still be a wilderness.

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cannot tell the difference from truth and racism. sad… if not for white people the natives would likely still be throwing spears at their food and the continent wouls still be a wilderness. What a racist you are. Interesting research is showing that many of the aboriginal Americans had complex and beneficial agricultural systems.

Yeah, like following the herds of bison to keep from starving. Racists like you wouldn’t be smart enough to understand things such as the Mayan calendar, either, of course.

I don’t need to. And anyone who calls one who tells it like it is a ‘racist’ really has nothing else to argue with. You’re just the type of creep who likes it when rich white men make poor brown babies die so they can get richer.

Yeah,. name one! You’re too stupid to know how you reap what you sow.

I’ve did very well, thank you. I’m happily married and retired comfortably. And you’re full of hate apparently.

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The difference between truth and racism… Interesting concept there John. Consider this. The Whites came here and the Native American People had to teach them how to plant crops. The whites came here and had to be taught about Democracy. The American system of Government is based entirely on the system of Government that was in use by the Cherokee Nation long before any whites ever appeared on American soil. And what does the Native People get for teaching the whites… RACISTS and RACIST comments from the likes of you.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – John Thank you for that racist comment.. You have now proven yourself to be useless Wild Horse appears to be another that cannot tell the difference from truth and racism. sad… Are you white? If so, your ancestors were immigrants. Go back to England before you start telling other people to go back where they came from. Fuck off immigrant lover, been here a really, really long time, and will fight to keep what’s mine. Fuck the world, let them eat shit. No need for the vulgar language, Joe. But you can tell them if not for white people the natives would likely still be throwing spears at their food and the continent wouls still be a wilderness.

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cannot tell the difference from truth and racism. sad… if not for white people the natives would likely still be throwing spears at their food and the continent wouls still be a wilderness.

What a racist you are. Interesting research is showing that many of the aboriginal Americans had complex and beneficial agricultural systems. Racists like you wouldn’t be smart enough to understand things such as the Mayan calendar, either, of course. You’re just the type of creep who likes it when rich white men make poor brown babies die so they can get richer. You’re too stupid to know how you reap what you sow.

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my comments to Joe User shown below starting with *** /polanski

Some people believe in getting other people killed for their own gain. They exploit others who believe in bigotry rather than reason when made afraid. What is so incredibly complicated about lock the front door and toss all the forigners out? NOTHING, very very simple, very easy, terrorists can blow themselves up all they want, can’t hurt us if they can’t get here.

*** Joe here is not addressing the yeahright’s insightful observation that those comitting crimes exploit the human tendency of bigotry as a reaction to fear. Instead, he is proposing an extremist solution to terrorism, which almost amounts to terrorism itself (i.e. tossing foreigners out) Ohhh, but what about the "good" immigrants, no such animal, all of them are surplus population from failed states, they made their bed, now let them lie in it.

*** Joe here is in denial of the chief reason for those failed states, i.e. colonialism and economic imperialism. Ergo, they did not make their bed, so they should not lie in it. *Don’t* try to tell me that ‘National Security’ would be at stake when those who benefit from crimes against innocents try to ride then hide them. Those people in NYC and DC and PA got killed, so ‘National Security’ just plain didn’t work, even though it could and should have. Why didn’t it? Because both the left and the right are corrupt, self-serving shits!

*** national security did not work because of corruption? this is new to me. This sounds so "way off" that Joe better provide some explanation Neither can get the average person to support them, since both sides exist to fuck over the common person for their own brand of eliteism, so they "import" human monkeys that will support them.

*** Joe considers immigrants "human monkeys", i guess he finds it difficult to compete with even these monkeys. Actually, Joe then is the prime example of what yeahright is talking about – i.e. "others who believe in bigotry rather than reason when made afraid" There are alegations that the Bush administration had ties to the Bin Laden family, and called off the CIA and FBI from investingating what the fuck those wastes of human flesh were up to. Bush’s whine, oh they will fuck up my oil deal, what’s a few thousand americans. Well turn around is fair play, what’s a few million dollars taken out of the Bush coffers.

**** Joe’s case against Bush is speculative and weak. Bush should resign or be impeached if he will not come clean on why those attacks were allowed. You blame it all on Bush, not true, the left is equaly guilty. Immigrant rights,free immigration, open society, multiculturalism, oppertunity for the unwashed masses, well you just gave rights to a bunch of stupid brutish animals and then wonder how 9/11 happened, PLEASE.

*** This is where Joe may have a point, that you can’t blame it on Bush. He is just another spineless president cowing to the zionist industrialist elite. Other than hunting down and killing Al Quada members, all the other "busy work" is moot if the morons running the country are not smart enough to lock all the doors and bar the windows of the nation.

*** there is a much simpler solution to terrorism on American soil that does not necessitate isolation. Don’t interfere in the Middle East as per the instructions of the American Jewish minority. The yearly $5 billion+ that is wasted on propping up the fascist regime of Israel and murdering their enemies could be spent on preventing terrorism and bettering international relations.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Some people believe in getting other people killed for their own gain. They exploit others who believe in bigotry rather than reason when made afraid. What is so incredibly complicated about lock the front door and toss all the forigners out? NOTHING, very very simple, very easy, terrorists can blow themselves up all they want, can’t hurt us if they can’t get here. Ohhh, but what about the "good" immigrants, no such animal, all of them are surplus population from failed states, they made their bed, now let them lie in it. *Don’t* try to tell me that ‘National Security’ would be at stake when those who benefit from crimes against innocents try to ride then hide them. Those people in NYC and DC and PA got killed, so ‘National Security’ just plain didn’t work, even though it could and should have. Why didn’t it? Because both the left and the right are corrupt, self-serving shits! Neither can get the average person to support them, since both sides exist to fuck over the common person for their own brand of eliteism, so they "import" human monkeys that will support them. There are alegations that the Bush administration had ties to the Bin Laden family, and called off the CIA and FBI from investingating what the fuck those wastes of human flesh were up to. Bush’s whine, oh they will fuck up my oil deal, what’s a few thousand americans. Well turn around is fair play, what’s a few million dollars taken out of the Bush coffers. Bush should resign or be impeached if he will not come clean on why those attacks were allowed. You blame it all on Bush, not true, the left is equaly guilty. Immigrant rights,free immigration, open society, multiculturalism, oppertunity for the unwashed masses, well you just gave rights to a bunch of stupid brutish animals and then wonder how 9/11 happened, PLEASE. Other than hunting down and killing Al Quada members, all the other "busy work" is moot if the morons running the country are not smart enough to lock all the doors and bar the windows of the nation.

Are you white? If so, your ancestors were immigrants. Go back to England before you start telling other people to go back where they came from.

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Some people believe in getting other people killed for their own gain. They exploit others who believe in bigotry rather than reason when made afraid. *Don’t* try to tell me that ‘National Security’ would be at stake when those who benefit from crimes against innocents try to ride then hide them. Those people in NYC and DC and PA got killed, so ‘National Security’ just plain didn’t work, even though it could and should have. Why didn’t it? Bush should resign or be impeached if he will not come clean on why those attacks were allowed. Stop the wars! Start the investigations! Justice for the victims of 9/11! "The poor go to war, to fight and die for the delights, riches, and superfluities of others." -Plutarch

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